So you think you know Chiefs pass rushers?

[cdcox]

Jerry Mays 7
Eric Hicks 10

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by cdcox

Aaron Brown looks tasty for that number 9 slot.

Originally Posted by cdcox

Jerry Mays 7
Eric Hicks 10

Bingo.

#1 - Derrick Thomas - 126.5
#2 - Tamba Hali - 89.5
#3 - Neil Smith - 85.5
#4 - Justin Houston - 78.5
#5 - Art Still - 74
#6 - Buck Buchanan - 70.5
#7 - Jerry Mays - 65.5
#8 - Mike Bell - 52
#9 - Aaron Brown - 51
#10 - Eric Hicks - 44.5

[Jenson71]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

Bingo.

#1 - Derrick Thomas - 126.5
#2 - Tamba Hali - 89.5
#3 - Neil Smith - 85.5
#4 - Justin Houston - 78.5
#5 - Art Still - 74
#6 - Buck Buchanan - 70.5
#7 - Jerry Mays - 65.5
#8 - Mike Bell - 52
#9 - Aaron Brown - 51
#10 - Eric Hicks - 44.5

It would be interesting to break down the comparison between DT and Buck Buchanan. For example, Thomas played in 169 games versus BB playing in 182, but of those games, how many passing plays were there?

Thomas played from 89-99, and during those years, the top passing attempts leader in the NFL averaged 601 attempts (over 16 games). But in Buchanan's days, the top passing attempts leader averaged 464 (I'm factoring in the two games the teams played less, as it was actually 406 over 14 games).

So can someone break down how these players compare in sacks per opportunity to see who was the most dominating sack monster in Chiefs history?

I'd guess DT still wins out, but Buchanan has got to be further up there.

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by Jenson71

It would be interesting to break down the comparison between DT and Buck Buchanan. For example, Thomas played in 169 games versus BB playing in 182, but of those games, how many passing plays were there?

Thomas played from 89-99, and during those years, the top passing attempts leader in the NFL averaged 601 attempts (over 16 games). But in Buchanan's days, the top passing attempts leader averaged 464 (I'm factoring in the two games the teams played less, as it was actually 406 over 14 games).

So can someone break down how these players compare in sacks per opportunity to see who was the most dominating sack monster in Chiefs history?

I'd guess DT still wins out, but Buchanan has got to be further up there.

That would indeed be interesting. I bet a good proxy could be easily done by just dividing sacks by the average passing attempts per game.

I was initially thinking that the old-timers might have more sacks per game due to the pass-blocking rules in place in those years. It was much harder to pass protect. But you're right in that there was a lot less passing in general, which may more than compensate.

[scho63]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

Bingo.

#1 - Derrick Thomas - 126.5
#2 - Tamba Hali - 89.5
#3 - Neil Smith - 85.5
#4 - Justin Houston - 78.5
#5 - Art Still - 74
#6 - Buck Buchanan - 70.5
#7 - Jerry Mays - 65.5
#8 - Mike Bell - 52
#9 - Aaron Brown - 51
#10 - Eric Hicks - 44.5

Guy got stuck playing great on super shitty teams. Wasted talent

[R Clark]

Originally Posted by scho63

Guy got stuck playing great on super shitty teams. Wasted talent

Truth

[scho63]

Originally Posted by scho63

Guy got stuck playing great on super shitty teams. Wasted talent

Originally Posted by R Clark

Truth

He would have had 100-120 sacks easily on a better defense. He was a beast in his day. Super strong and quick for a guy not really that big.

I followed him a lot as a kid because he was a Jersey guy

[oldman]

Originally Posted by scho63

Guy got stuck playing great on super shitty teams. Wasted talent

Steadman let the team get old and Schaaf didn't do much better. C'mon, man -- Mike Livingston as your QB? Then Schaaf picks Todd Blackledge out of the QB pool?

[cdcox]

I'm not sure if this will plot well, but here goes. I plotted sacks per season by the players last year in the league. This method of plotting emphasizes outlier performances compared to peers during the era. My takeaway is that Deacon Jones was by far the best pass rusher ever, and it's not close.

[MagicHef]

Originally Posted by cdcox

I'm not sure if this will plot well, but here goes. I plotted sacks per season by the players last year in the league. This method of plotting emphasizes outlier performances compared to peers during the era. My takeaway is that Deacon Jones was by far the best pass rusher ever, and it's not close.

Not sure I understand. It looks like Reggie White and Von Miller are close to Deacon Jones, and Aaron Donald is above him.

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by MagicHef

Not sure I understand. It looks like Reggie White and Von Miller are close to Deacon Jones, and Aaron Donald is above him.

I too require explanation. Are these the top five guys who retired each year? I can't quite read the x axis.

And I'll correct MagicHef's unfortunate error by saying that it looks like Reggie White and Derrick Thomas are close to Deacon Jones, and Aaron Donald is above him.

[MagicHef]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

I too require explanation. Are these the top five guys who retired each year? I can't quite read the x axis.

And I'll correct MagicHef's unfortunate error by saying that it looks like Reggie White and Derrick Thomas are close to Deacon Jones, and Aaron Donald is above him.

I regret to inform you that Derrick Thomas is closer to DeMarcus Ware than Von Miller.

[cdcox]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

I too require explanation. Are these the top five guys who retired each year? I can't quite read the x axis.

And I'll correct MagicHef's unfortunate error by saying that it looks like Reggie White and Derrick Thomas are close to Deacon Jones, and Aaron Donald is above him.

The data are the top 250 pass rushers since 1960. They are plotted in chronological order, based on the last year they played. My praise of Deacon Jones is based on how far above his contemporary peers he is compared to other players. Players who played in a common era faced similar offensive lines, styles of play, and played under common rules. Deacon was a real standout of his era. I discount Aaron Donald a bit because he is in the prime of his career, and hasn't yet recorded the last few years of his career where a player's productivity often rolls off. He Donald remains dominant through his retirement, he might unseat Jones as the most dominant pass rusher of all time.

[Bowser]

Apparently we know out Chiefs pass rushers

[RealSNR]

I was going to say Eric Hicks and feel cool that I knew the difficult one, but then I realized I'd be saying "Eric Hicks" to feel cool, and I decided to go do something else like mow the lawn or eat a cookie