New DC not fixing this

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

.@chiefs when you get “angle blocked” you can’t stay blocked. You have either feel it and play over the top or you have to spin to escape. But you CANNOT stay blocked. #BaldysBreakdowns pic.twitter.com/1XNlxBzPw2

— Brian Baldinger (@BaldyNFL) January 21, 2019

Smh

[bevischief]

Originally Posted by bowener

What is the likelihood Marvin Lewis ends up the DC for the Chiefs?

25% chance?

It needs to be Romo, though.

Sponge Bob would be....

[ForeverChiefs58]

The reason you get new coaching is to fix what is broken by learning from better coaching.

Not having better coaching is what leads to finding a fix.

[kcclone]

Originally Posted by Haglund's_Spirit

That's on their position coaches...

Defensive coordinators at the NFL level don't teach fundamentals.

But these guys are soft. That's on the Head Coach who, btw, brought his own defensive position coach, his son, DL coach Britt Reid.

So...it's all on the guy in charge of the coaching staff, Andy Reid, the Head Coach.

Sutton is not, and never has been, 'the' problem.

Our DL is the least of our problems on defense. Nnadi looks like he improved quite a bit and will become a legit NG. Chris Jones has developed into a great DT/DE and probably a top 2 pass rushing DL. So I don't think it's fair to pile on Britt Reid at this point.

[bevischief]

So does a boot up the...

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by kcclone

Our DL is the least of our problems on defense. Nnadi looks like he improved quite a bit and will become a legit NG. Chris Jones has developed into a great DT/DE and probably a top 2 pass rushing DL. So I don't think it's fair to pile on Britt Reid at this point.

DL is one of the few areas this D looked good...

[Dr. Yu Weed Tard]

Originally Posted by kcclone

Our DL is the least of our problems on defense. Nnadi looks like he improved quite a bit and will become a legit NG. Chris Jones has developed into a great DT/DE and probably a top 2 pass rushing DL. So I don't think it's fair to pile on Britt Reid at this point.

I said this defense, and TEAM, is a reflection of their head coach. They're not physically imposing. Fast, absolutely. But we don't get some physical and mental toughness, we'll always fall victim to those types of teams. The Ravens took us to the woodshed, we were lucky Mahomes was able to pull that one out. Arizona's defense gave us fits.

[bevischief]

Enough

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by O.city

I refuse to believe that this is one of the worst defenses of all time because of the talent.

3 #1 picks. 4 #2 picks. Houston and a bunch of #3 picks.

You've got 8 top 64 picks in their respective years to put on the field. Plus a multiple pro-bowler in Houston.

That's not bottom feeder talent. It's just not.

Yes I know Berry's injured. So 7 top 64 picks plus Houston. And a bunch of #3's.

and Hitchens, who looked great last year in Dallas, meh here.

At best, they're underachieving.

[FAX]

Originally Posted by Haglund's_Spirit

I said this defense, and TEAM, is a reflection of their head coach. They're not physically imposing. Fast, absolutely. But we don't get some physical and mental toughness, we'll always fall victim to those types of teams. The Ravens took us to the woodshed, we were lucky Mahomes was able to pull that one out. Arizona's defense gave us fits.

I'm going to dispute this a bit, Mr. Haglund's_Spirit.

Mahomes is tough. Kelce loves contact. Both he and Tyreek don't back down and are fearless. Everything above Watkins' cankles is tough. Ware is a badass and so is Sherman. I could mention others including Dr. Mauler and Wylie.

Defensively, I don't think a rational person could argue that Houston isn't physically and mentally tough. Or Berry. I'd probably include Fuller in that list.

After that, it seems to drop off (in my mind).

I see a lot of posters trying to narrow our problems down to 1 (one) thing. Some say it's coaching. Others say it's talent. I fear our limitations may well be caused a combination of several things.

FAX

[kgrund]

Though I agree with Fax's take in general, I do believe Mr. Haglund's_Spirit has merit. This is specifically what Veatch talked about LAST YEAR. He recognized that the nastiness of the defense needed to be ramped up. He supposedly drafted with that in mind. The problem is what he did to address this has not worked so far. I think the GM has been laser focused on this core problem from the get go. Priority #1 LAST YEAR was to fix the run defense. The concerning part is nothing he did appears to have helped with this issue so far.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by kcclone

It's funny how this debate has become so binary. It doesn't have to be an either/or question. Most likely, it's a little of both.

If Bob Sutton had better personnel, he could probably field a defense that doesn't finish ranked 31st.

On the flip side of the coin, a really good DC would have enough talent (on this current team) to have at least a top 20 Defense.

IMO, we need to change the DC AND focus on upgrading personnel. Frankly, you always have to look at upgrading personnel on defense because the shelf life of players is pretty short.

If we hire the right DC, and can upgrade at 2-3 different positions, we can become a top 15-20 defense.

If we're in that range, combined with our offense we will be right back in the AFC championship next year with a better chance to win.

Exactly.

Not only COULD Bob Sutton field a better defense with better talent - he DID. But that was in the past. Adjustments need to be made and he can't do it.

Start with him and then focus on the draft. Thinks can, and will, improve.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Exactly.

Not only COULD Bob Sutton field a better defense with better talent - he DID. But that was in the past. Adjustments need to be made and he can't do it.

Start with him and then focus on the draft. Thinks can, and will, improve.

Looking around at the top tier defenses, I just can't see Sutton doing that anymore. You need someone that can be innovative.

Pattern matching, different fronts etc. He just doesn't have it in him anymore and it's too damn hard to amass that kind of talent.

[FAX]

Originally Posted by kgrund

Though I agree with Fax's take in general, I do believe Mr. Haglund's_Spirit has merit. This is specifically what Veatch talked about LAST YEAR. He recognized that the nastiness of the defense needed to be ramped up. He supposedly drafted with that in mind. The problem is what he did to address this has not worked so far. I think the GM has been laser focused on this core problem from the get go. Priority #1 LAST YEAR was to fix the run defense. The concerning part is nothing he did appears to have helped with this issue so far.

Honestly, our GM issue is a key aspect of this debate. (It's what got us here in the first place.)

When your GM goes public and says he's going to "fix" the run defense and field a team that plays "tough" for 4 (four) quarters and fails this miserably in both, your organization has a problem.

Some scouts are better at finding offensive players and some are better at finding defensive guys. I'm wondering if our player personnel department is limited in that regard. We had no first round pick last year, so I'm hopeful Veach sees what everybody else in the world sees and corrects his course.

FAX

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by FAX

Honestly, our GM issue is a key aspect of this debate. (It's what got us here in the first place.)

When your GM goes public and says he's going to "fix" the run defense and field a team that plays "tough" for 4 (four) quarters and fails this miserably in both, your organization has a problem.

Some scouts are better at finding offensive players and some are better at finding defensive guys. I'm wondering if our player personnel department is limited in that regard. We had no first round pick last year, so I'm hopeful Veach sees what everybody else in the world sees and corrects his course.

FAX

Nnadi was a very good player. Speaks...well...wasn't. That being said, a lot of the young guys weren't on the field a lot, which Veach doesn't control - Andy and Bob do.

It all starts with getting better coaching. After that, we'll see. I'm not ready to count Veach out yet but yes, it HAS to improve.

[Gravedigger]

This offseason will speak volumes for Veach. He wanted to go younger, that was the reasoning for getting rid of Derrick Johnson and Tamba Hali. Does he continue down that path? Does he do what everyone else would do in this situation; sign Tyreek, sign Jones, tag Ford? Or does he continue with the younger approach; sign Tyreek, tag Jones, let Ford walk, and draft another pass rusher to get one more crack at it. Our shortcomings with Kpass and Speaks, at least to this point, make me weary that he will get it right on the third try, instead of just taking another hybrid LB that nobody can figure out what to do with. It'll be interesting to be sure.