Bengals hiring Zac Taylor to be HC; Bienemy remains in KC

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

How much play calling experience did Doug Pederson and Matt Nagy have as Andy Reid’s OC before getting HC jobs?

I guess you missed the and QB coach part.

Also, they both at least did at some point their final seasons.

[FloridaMan88]

Originally Posted by staylor26

I guess you missed the and QB coach part.

Also, they both at least did at some point their final seasons.

There are really no words to describe your level of stupidity.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

There are really no words to describe your level of stupidity.

I’m stupid because you can’t grasp the difference between Naggy/Pederson and Bienemy or why they fit the current trend more?

[FloridaMan88]

Originally Posted by staylor26

I’m stupid because you can’t grasp the difference between Naggy/Pederson and Bienemy or why they fit the current trend more?

Yes because it is a baseless statement and you have no evidence to support it.

Pederson and Nagy were not hired as HC’s because of their play calling in KC, both barely called plays as Andy Reid was the primary play caller.

Also so serving as Alex Smith’s QB coach wan’t a primary factor either.

The primary factor was the basic fact they were OC’s under Andy Reid, from his famed coaching tree and could bring in his system/coaching style.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

Yes because it is a baseless statement and you have no evidence to support it.

Pederson and Nagy were not hired as HC’s because of their play calling in KC, both barely called plays as Andy Reid was the primary play caller.

Also so serving as Alex Smith’s QB coach wan’t a primary factor either.

The primary factor was the basic fact they were OC’s under Andy Reid, from his famed coaching tree and could bring in his system/coaching style.

JFC you really are reeruned

They both called plays down the stretch the year they were hired. This is a ****ing fact.

McVay, Pederson, Nagy, Taylor, Kingsbury, Lafleur, Gase

All of these guys have one thing in common that separates them from Bienemy. They’re QB coaches. Bienemy has absolutely no expiereince with QB’s and the passing game outside of this year. People want offensive minded HC’s that can work with an develop QB’s. This isn’t complicated, but you’re such a ****ing idiot that you can’t understand it.

You honestly might be the dumbest mother****er on this board, congrats!

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by staylor26

JFC you really are reeruned

They both called plays down the stretch the year they were hired. This is a ****ing fact.

McVay, Pederson, Nagy, Taylor, Kingsbury, Lafleur, Gase

All of these guys have one thing in common that separates them from Bienemy. They’re QB coaches. Bienemy has absolutely no expiereince with QB’s and the passing game outside of this year. People want offensive minded HC’s that can work with an develop QB’s. This isn’t complicated, but you’re such a ****ing idiot that you can’t understand it.

You honestly might be the dumbest mother****er on this board, congrats!

Not challenging this point, but why do you think Freddie Kitchens was (apparently) effective at coaching Baker Mayfield?

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by RealSNR

Not challenging this point, but why do you think Freddie Kitchens was (apparently) effective at coaching Baker Mayfield?

I’m not sure what you mean? He was a QB’s coach I’m Arizona.

[FloridaMan88]

Originally Posted by staylor26

JFC you really are reeruned

They both called plays down the stretch the year they were hired. This is a fact.

McVay, Pederson, Nagy, Taylor, Kingsbury, Lafleur, Gase

All of these guys have one thing in common that separates them from Bienemy. They’re QB coaches. Bienemy has absolutely no expiereince with QB’s and the passing game outside of this year. People want offensive minded HC’s that can work with an develop QB’s. This isn’t complicated, but you’re such an idiot that you can’t understand it.

So Bieniemy (you should really try spelling his name correctly, that is one of the many spelling issues you have in your drooling incoherent babble of a post) has "no experience with QB's and the passing game", except for the experience he has this year working with one of the most explosive offenses in recent memory.

So he does have a season's worth of the experience you are babbling about him not having.

Also you apparently can't comprehend the fact that Doug Pederson and Matt Nagy each calling plays in KC for five seconds was not the reason they were hired as HC's. There is no correlation.

You have had quite a 24 hours, first claiming that Adam Gase is a "young offensive talent" when facts support the opposite of that, and now whatever point you were attempting to make above with your babbling, incoherent drool job.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

So Bieniemy (you should really try spelling his name correctly, that is one of the many spelling issues you have in your drooling incoherent babble of a post) has "no experience with QB's and the passing game", except for the experience he has this year working with one of the most explosive offenses in recent memory.

So he does have a season's worth of the experience you are babbling about him not having.

Also you apparently can't comprehend the fact that Doug Pederson and Matt Nagy each calling plays in KC for five seconds was not the reason they were hired as HC's. There is no correlation.

You have had quite a 24 hours, first claiming that Adam Gase is a "young offensive talent" when facts support the opposite of that, and now whatever point you were attempting to make above with your babbling, incoherent drool job.

I literally said “outside of this year” in the bolded part you quoted you ****ing moron. 1 year vs your entire career is two totally different things. We still have no idea how much of a role he’s played in the passing game. You don’t see him on the sideline with Mahomes in between series, it’s Reid and Kafka every time. You don’t think front offices are aware? You don’t think they know that he’s a RB coach with very little experience, if any at all, with QB’s?

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by staylor26

I guess you missed the and QB coach part.

Also, they both at least did at some point their final seasons.

Lots of people questioned how much role Pederson actually had with the offense playcalling. Nagy was a lot more active in that role.

I'm glad we're keeping Bienemy. But I'm surprised he didn't get any offers. Unlike either of those guys, he actually has run an offense all on his own in Colorado. The common thread with the coaches you listed off is each of them has a franchise QB or high draft pick QB to work with.

We're spoiled because we have Mahomes. But not every team is built for a passing attack. Teams like Seattle and Dallas are well built for a balanced approach to an offense. It's a copycat league and I wonder if this is maybe being duplicated to death.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Lots of people questioned how much role Pederson actually had with the offense playcalling. Nagy was a lot more active in that role.

I'm glad we're keeping Bienemy. But I'm surprised he didn't get any offers. Unlike either of those guys, he actually has run an offense all on his own in Colorado. The common thread with the coaches you listed off is each of them has a franchise QB or high draft pick QB to work with.

We're spoiled because we have Mahomes. But not every team is built for a passing attack. Teams like Seattle and Dallas are well built for a balanced approach to an offense. It's a copycat league and I wonder if this is maybe being duplicated to death.

Everybody wants a young offensive coach that can develop a young QB. That’s why those guys got their jobs, to develop QB’s. I’m not saying it’s smart or stupid, I’m simply pointing out what I thought was an obvious trend and providing a reasonable explanation why Bieniemy didn’t get a job just yet.

I mean the Bengals picked a QB coach over him. Is it not ****ing obvious they are following this trend?

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Everybody wants a young offensive coach that can develop a young QB. That’s why those guys got their jobs, to develop QB’s. I’m not saying it’s smart or stupid, I’m simply pointing out what I thought was an obvious trend and providing a reasonable explanation why Bieniemy didn’t get a job just yet.

I mean the Bengals picked a QB coach over him. Is it not ****ing obvious they are following this trend?

I think it's a copycat league. That's for sure. The front office fired a head coach, so there's not exactly a vote of confidence they can be trusted to hire a good replacement. I'm glad the Chiefs have an offense guru. But if the Bengals don't draft an elite qb and if Rosen and darnold don't become elite qbs, I wonder how many will be back to the drawing board 3 years from now. Qbs coaches may be hot right now. But I wonder if that's become too watered down of late.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I think it's a copycat league. That's for sure. The front office fired a head coach, so there's not exactly a vote of confidence they can be trusted to hire a good replacement. I'm glad the Chiefs have an offense guru. But if the Bengals don't draft an elite qb and if Rosen and darnold don't become elite qbs, I wonder how many will be back to the drawing board 3 years from now. Qbs coaches may be hot right now. But I wonder if that's become too watered down of late.

The fact that it’s a trend and teams are having success doing it is only making things worse.

For one, you have all these highly paid QB’s missing out on the playoffs, so teams want to try and win with talented young QB’s on rookie deals. It’s the best way to do it in today’s NFL.

Then, if you have a defensive minded HC and your QB developer is an OC or QB coach, you have to worry about losing them every single year. It makes more sense for your HC to be that guy, so that’s why I get it. It’s easier to find DC’s year to year.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by staylor26

The fact that it’s a trend and teams are having success doing it is only making things worse.

For one, you have all these highly paid QB’s missing out on the playoffs, so teams want to try and win with talented young QB’s on rookie deals. It’s the best way to do it in today’s NFL.

Then, if you have a defensive minded HC and your QB developer is an OC or QB coach, you have to worry about losing them every single year. It makes more sense for your HC to be that guy, so that’s why I get it. It’s easier to find DC’s year to year.

Yeah, that's an interesting angle about losing qbs coaches every year. I still think it goes without saying we hit the jackpot with Mahomes. And that not every team should assume that. Granted, Nagy and pederson have run tough teams in spite of having game managers at qb. So maybe there's something to be said for qbs coaches being able to run tough defensive minded teams. But as for the trend, I think the success of the bears, eagles, ravens, Seahawks, cowboys flipped the season narrative a bit. It reminds me of when 3-4 did really well because few teams ran it. I'm surprised no team had considered the advantage of doing something different from everyone else.