***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

WTF? "Mild" was sarcastic. You should go back and read his posts on this subject. People are classifying mild covid as not being hospitalized. Yeah he didn't have mild symptoms and alot of covid positive people aren't hospitalized but they aren't having "mild" symptoms either.

I don't even know what the rest of your post is about. We are both in health care IT and both are lucky that way. I have family that own small business and are out of work they also aren't taking this pandemic serious either. It sucks all the way around and we need to find a balance.

Finding that balance starts with people like you not criticizing anyone that doesn't want to sit inside and hide. What I see from you every day is nothing close to balance. And when someone does propose a sense of balance such as a phased re-opening, you and your bitch, titboy, want to start pretending those people just don't give a **** if anyone dies and\or they just want to "open everything up".

Makes me wonder if you even know what the **** the word balance means? I mean your very post about someone out of work automatically "doesn't take this seriously" proves as much. It's not an either-or situation. Just because people want to start slowly opening things up doesn't mean they don't care about people getting sick and\or dying. That's just a pathetic straw man of an argument.

Balance means both sides have to give.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Finding that balance starts with people like you not criticizing anyone that doesn't want to sit inside and hide. What I see from you every day is nothing close to balance. And when someone does propose a sense of balance such as a phased re-opening, you and your bitch, titboy, want to start pretending those people just don't give a **** if anyone dies and\or they just want to "open everything up".

Makes me wonder if you even know what the **** the word balance means? I mean your very post about someone out of work automatically "doesn't take this seriously" proves as much.

I have always tried to be realistic about what is going on. It seems to me lots of people speak in black and white when it really is all gray. We can't stay inside forever but we can't just fling the doors wide open either. I think we agree on that.


Yeah certain family members that own a couple of small business don't think this pandemic is real (fake news), don't think they should have to wear masks or sanitize etc etc. Yet they have another family member putting her life on the line every day from some pretend pandemic. It is like bizarro world.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

I have always tried to be realistic about what is going on. It seems to me lots of people speak in black and white when it really is all gray. We can't stay inside forever but we can't just fling the doors wide open either. I think we agree on that.


Yeah certain family members that own a couple of small business don't think this pandemic is real (fake news), don't think they should have to wear masks or sanitize etc etc. Yet they have another family member putting her life on the line every day from some pretend pandemic.

Yes, we do agree on that. And I think we can also agree that most people that want to start re-opening are not saying to just go balls to the wall.

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by petegz28

"Most aren't broke right now"....spoken like someone who has no ****ing clue of what he is talking about. Like I said, the second you stop getting paid to sit on your ass will be the second you start screaming to open things up. You aren't fooling a ****ing person about it.

Yeah? So the servers and bartenders who are making 400 +600 a week in unemployment would be making that now if everything was open? Spoiler alert they wouldnt and they like everyone has bills to pay. Once again you've fully displayed you have zero idea what you are talking about.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by Titty Meat

Yeah? So the servers and bartenders who are making 400 +600 a week in unemployment would be making that now if everything was open? Spoiler alert they wouldnt and they like everyone has bills to pay. Once again you've fully displayed you have zero idea what you are talking about.

My step daughter was working 2 jobs and got laid off from one and they told her to file for unemployment. She got her first check the other day and yeah it was like double what she made at her job pre-Covid.

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

My step daughter was working 2 jobs and got laid off from one and they told her to file for unemployment. She got her first check the other day and yeah it was like double what she made at her job pre-Covid.

Yeah see I was bartending 1 night a week at a hotel as long as we had 5 people in the hotel the bar is open. I got paid an hourly plus tips. The tips weren't shit with such little occupancy. I would give the tips and paycheck to the cook who was full time making 12/hr but got some hours cut do to the hours changing. I understand the situation those folks are in and it's a damn near impossible one right now.

[Titty Meat]

What I said didnt even cover the owners either. Alot of owners cant operate at 25% what happens to them? They have everything tied up into their business. We needed a better plan to cover that industry. There isnt one and everything will be more costly now.

[ghak99]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

My step daughter was working 2 jobs and got laid off from one and they told her to file for unemployment. She got her first check the other day and yeah it was like double what she made at her job pre-Covid.

It's a real problem that I'm afraid is going to have consequences.

Two old classmates of mine were shedding tears about getting let go on FB not too long ago. I had a friend I knew was hiring, at a decent wage, in their area so I gave them the contact info and they both did phone interviews. They were both a guaranteed hire based on my referral, and neither one of them took the job because "it was barely more than the new unemployment". Meanwhile, I have family members who are "essential" that haven't missed a day of work while being paid less than the current level of unemployment pay. I went ahead and took the trailer park low road and outed both of those mother ****ers on their next attention seeking FB post shedding crocodile tears about not being able to work.

I've got another example that's way worse, but the douche rocket is probably a member here.

[Pepe Silvia]

Fauci released this virus himself and he will do it again.

[eDave]

Originally Posted by Titty Meat

Yeah? So the servers and bartenders who are making 400 +600 a week in unemployment would be making that now if everything was open? Spoiler alert they wouldnt and they like everyone has bills to pay. Once again you've fully displayed you have zero idea what you are talking about.

While you are right, no one should be a bartender forever. Time to train in a new career with that sweet unemployment windfall.

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by PackerinMo

Fauci released this virus himself and he will do it again.

I think hes lowkey a MU fan and saw KU had a great chance at winning it all in basketball this year so released the virus when he did and also knew they will get some sort of post season ban thus making them arguably one of the greatest programs to miss the tournament got consecutive years. Brilliant man.

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by eDave

While you are right, no one should be a bartender forever. Time to train in a new career with that sweet unemployment windfall.

Dave I have a full time paying job that's good money and full benefits. I bartend 1 night a week and walk with around 200 bucks and work 6 hours total. I'm a single man in his 30s saving up for a house.

What that unemployment windfall signals is this shit isnt going to be fixed for months. Heres 1k a week til the end of july save half of that up for rent in the future.

[Pepe Silvia]

Originally Posted by Titty Meat

I think hes lowkey a MU fan and saw KU had a great chance at winning it all in basketball this year so released the virus when he did and also knew they will get some sort of post season ban thus making them arguably one of the greatest programs to miss the tournament got consecutive years. Brilliant man.

Not going to lie I’m glad that KU sports might not exist anymore. Gives me wood.

[Titty Meat]

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[KCUnited]

Interesting tidbits regarding consumer confidence and people being dumb. Imagine waiting hours for Red Lobster.

Link excluded due to political content

The owners of C&C Coffee and Kitchen, a breakfast cafe in Castle Rock, Colo., opened its doors to patrons on Sunday in defiance of Colorado’s public health order that limits restaurants statewide to takeout and delivery services.

Crowds packed the restaurant, located about 25 miles south of Denver.

And in a viral video taken by a local news reporter, it appeared that virtually no one was practicing social distancing. And just one customer could be seen wearing a mask.

In response, Colorado Gov. Jared Polis announced Monday that the state was suspending the restaurant’s operating license for 30 days “until it’s established that there is no longer a threat to public health.”

In other parts of the country, restaurants that legally reopened for takeout over Mother’s Day weekend were overwhelmed by large crowds — and some angry customers.

At a Red Lobster outside of Pittsburgh, police were called to disperse disgruntled patrons who waited in line for hours after the manager announced that it would not be filling their take-out orders.

And on Cape Cod in Massachusetts, a popular ice cream shop was forced to temporarily close just hours after it reopened because its young staff faced abusive comments from angry customers who disregarded the store’s request to order ahead of time and faced long waits to be served by the overworked counter staff.