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**RealSNR** · 05:44 PM

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In the meantime, this gem from Andy Reid's press conference today:

Andy Reid was asked if he did anything fun or exotic this offseason: “I attacked a couple Chile rellenos.”
— Jeff Darlington (@JeffDarlington) July 23, 2019

RunKC · 08-01-2019, 07:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Superturtle

Hitchens only nets us 3 million in cap if he's cut next offseason. Unless he's just horrific that's not going to happen.

Not if it’s a post June 1st cut

O.city · 08-01-2019, 07:52 AM

The new cba will bring in a lot of cash

Sassy Squatch · 08-01-2019, 07:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC

Not if it’s a post June 1st cut

So spread his dead cap hit to the years where we're going to need every single bit of it? No thanks.

Mecca · 08-01-2019, 07:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC

Not if it’s a post June 1st cut

There are no post June 1 cuts next year, part of the last year of the CBA rules.

**New World Order** · 08-01-2019, 07:53 AM

O.city · 08-01-2019, 07:54 AM

Hopefully he’s good In the 43 so we don’t need to worry about it

**New World Order** · 08-01-2019, 07:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city

Hopefully he’s good In the 43 so we don’t need to worry about it

I know it's Kelce, but good grief:

Mahomes and Kelce absolutely fooled Hitchens and Mathieu here. Mahomes is a literal 7-on-7 cheat code pic.twitter.com/OBVfidZ6Cq
— Brandon Zenner (@NPNowZenner) July 28, 2019

Mecca · 08-01-2019, 07:58 AM

2020 does not project to be a normal year in the NFL contract landscape. Because the collective bargaining agreement (CBA) between the league's players and owners expires at the end of the 2020 season, next year is referred to in the CBA as the "Final League Year." And in the Final League Year, some critical contract rules are different.

Assuming no agreement on a new CBA is reached between now and March 2020, contract structures next offseason will be affected. And because of that, long-term contract structures and teams' long-range plans could be affected this offseason. To play off our lead example above, for instance: Article 10 of the CBA stipulates that, in the Final League Year, teams are allowed to designate one franchise player and one transition player. So, in a hypothetical (and, frankly, unlikely) example in which neither Prescott nor Cooper is signed to a long-term extension by the end of the 2019 season and no new CBA is negotiated by next March, the Cowboys would have the ability to keep both of those players off the open market by designating one a franchise player and the other a transition player.
You might remember that the final year of the previous CBA -- 2010 -- was an "uncapped year," meaning a year with no salary cap. (We found out later that it wasn't really that, as Washington and Dallas had salary-cap space taken away as punishment for structuring contracts to take advantage of the lack of a 2010 cap after owners agreed in private not to do that.) The current CBA makes no such stipulation, and 2020 will feature a salary cap just like the first nine years of the deal have. In fact, because of the rules in place specifically for the Final League Year, the 2020 cap will offer some unique challenges:

No post-June 1 designations
In a normal year, if a team wants to release a player from his contract without incurring an excessive amount of dead money on its salary cap, the team is allowed to designate that player a post-June 1 release. Doing so allows the team to defer a chunk of the dead-money cap hit into the following season.

For example, let's say the Kansas City Chiefs decide in the next couple of weeks to release veteran safety Eric Berry. He has four years left on his contract but only $2.95 million in remaining guarantees. Because the contract was signed in 2017 and included a $20 million signing bonus, the Chiefs carry a $4 million cap charge in each of the contract's first five seasons as a prorated portion of the signing bonus. They have three of those years left, so $12 million worth of signing-bonus proration. Cutting Berry now would require them to accelerate all $12 million of that onto this year's cap. Combined with Berry's salary guarantee, that would mean a $14.95 million cap charge for Berry if he were cut.

However, if in this (purely hypothetical) example, the Chiefs were to designate Berry a post-June 1 cut, the CBA rules would allow them to defer $8 million of that signing proration onto next year's cap, so this year's dead-money charge would be only $6.95 million. It's an accounting loophole that saves $8 million on this year's salary cap by floating it into next year and delaying the team's present-year cap relief until June 2.

In the Final League Year, there are no post-June 1 release designations. A team in our example dealing with the same problem next year would have to absorb the full dead-money hit no matter when it released the player. It makes sense when you think about it: Why would you make it easier for a team to release a player by allowing it to defer a cap hit into a season that might never even happen?

So watch out when the new contract structures start to roll in this March, and don't be surprised to see teams structuring the deals to limit dead-money charges in 2020 (as some of the 2017 and 2018 free-agent deals already have). That could mean lower signing bonuses, greater reliance on roster bonuses, higher guaranteed 2019 salaries and shorter-term deals overall, as teams likely won't want to be financially unable to release players they don't feel are playing up to their contracts.

The '30 percent' rule
Article 13, Section 7 of the CBA mandates that "no player contract extending into a season beyond the Final League Year may provide for an annual increase in salary ... of more than 30 percent of the salary provided for in the Final League Year, per year, either in the season after the Final League Year or in any subsequent season covered by the Player Contract."

So if a player signs a five-year contract this offseason, and his 2020 salary is $10 million, the rules state his scheduled 2021, 2022 and 2023 salaries can't be higher than $13 million, $16 million and $19 million, respectively. And yes, there are already contracts on the books that reflect this. The deal Odell Beckham Jr. signed with the Giants last summer, for example, provides for a higher salary this year ($17 million) than in 2020 ($14.25 million), 2021 ($15.75 million), 2022 ($15 million) and 2023 ($15 million).
The 30 percent rule would allow the Giants to pay Beckham up to $18.525-$27.075 million in each of the years from 2021-23; as you can see, they are well under that figure. But Beckham's contract pays him about $38.5 million in the first two years of the deal (2018-2019), a structure that allows him to get more of his money sooner and also allows the Giants to stay well clear of the 30 percent rule on the back end of the type of contract that doesn't usually get paid out in full anyway.

The 2016 book "Crunching Numbers: An Inside Look at the Salary Cap and Negotiating Player Contracts" by Jason Fitzgerald and Vijay Natarajan (which was a big help in putting this piece together) deals with the 30 percent rule in greater detail and has helpful, concrete examples of different contract structures.

Incentive structures
In a normal year, if a player's contract calls for in-season incentive bonuses, these don't always have to be counted against the team's salary cap until after the season. Teams put "Not Likely To Be Earned" incentives (NLTBEs) in many contracts, and incentives that qualify as such aren't counted against the salary cap until after the season, when those that were earned are charged retroactively. This allows teams to stay under the cap while promising their players they'll be taken care of if they play well.

The New England Patriots used $38.8 million in NLTBEs in 2018 -- far more than any other team (Washington was second at $24.6 million). This is perfectly legal and likely the result of the Patriots' ability to promise their players postseason shares and Super Bowl glory more reliably than other teams can. But in 2020, unless a new CBA is reached between now and then, it will be tougher to pull that off.

In the Final League Year, any incentive bonuses, be they likely or unlikely to be earned, will count against a team's salary cap the moment they are triggered. For example, if a player gets a $1 million incentive for catching 75 passes, as soon as he catches his 75th pass of the 2020 season, his team absorbs a fresh $1 million salary-cap charge. In 2019 and all previous years of the current agreement, the team wouldn't have to account for that charge until after the season was over.

What this means is that teams giving out new deals this offseason will have to be conscious of the way their incentive clauses are structured in the 2020 season to avoid having to make tough roster decisions during the season if their players hit their incentives.

These are just a few examples of the way the looming end of the CBA could affect the league's economic landscape over the next 12 to 24 months. Players and owners have yet to begin negotiating a new CBA or an extension to the current one, and NFLPA executive director DeMaurice Smith has used terms such as "prepare for war" while suggesting a work stoppage is likely before a new deal can be reached.

It's possible the clouds clear and a deal gets done in time for none of these Final League Year rules to matter. But in the meantime, as the franchise-tag designation period swings into high gear and free agency lurks around the corner, keep in mind that teams are having to juggle stuff they haven't had to deal with before now.

There you go

There is not an uncapped year
There are no june 1 cuts
you get a franchise and transition tag
with the 30 percent rule and incentives in contracts there has to be serious thought on contract structure also.

RunKC · 08-01-2019, 08:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by New World Order

It's a horribly structured deal. They obviously thought he was going to be a key part of this defense for a long time.

Can't really get out of it without eating money until 2022.

Him and Speaks have clean slates from me. Can’t believe Sutton put those guys in an impossible position last year making them change positions and not help them.

DOD took a shot at Sutton a few days ago in an interview with Carrington. Think that says a lot.

Let’s see what happens this year now that he back in a 4-3

MAHOMO 4 LIFE! · 08-01-2019, 09:19 AM

We can actually save money by extending Watkins

Halfcan · 08-01-2019, 09:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MAHOMO 4 LIFE!

We can actually save mo at by extending Watkins

People keep talking that we will cut him, but what if he has a Monster year?

1200 yards and 14 TD's

He will look like a bargain.

old_geezer · 08-01-2019, 09:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Superturtle

Hitchens only nets us 3 million in cap if he's cut next offseason. Unless he's just horrific that's not going to happen.

Count me as one of those who still think Hitchens can be a very valuable piece of this Chiefs' defense. I think last year was a product of Sutton's ineptitude more than anything.

MAHOMO 4 LIFE! · 08-01-2019, 09:44 AM

With an off day today, I would expect if a deal with Tyreek Hill gets done after meeting with Mr. Drew this week, it could be announced today. I've also heard the agents for Chris Jones might be in St. Joe on Saturday - so that's another good sign for the #Chiefs.
— Chiefs Insider (@ChiefsInsider) August 1, 2019

Halfcan · 08-01-2019, 09:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by old_geezer

Count me as one of those who still think Hitchens can be a very valuable piece of this Chiefs' defense. I think last year was a product of Sutton's ineptitude more than anything.

Hitchens and Ragland were pretty awful last year as a team. If Ragland ends up being the Day 1 starter it shows how thin that group is.

MAHOMO 4 LIFE! · 08-01-2019, 09:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Halfcan

People keep talking that we will cut him, but what if he has a Monster year?

1200 yards and 14 TD's

He will look like a bargain.

He just needs to stay healthy. Hill draws double teams which gives Watkins one on one matchups

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Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $2617050	2020 does not project to be a normal year in the NFL contract landscape. Because the collective bargaining agreement (CBA) between the league's players and owners expires at the end of the 2020 season, next year is referred to in the CBA as the "Final League Year." And in the Final League Year, some critical contract rules are different. Assuming no agreement on a new CBA is reached between now and March 2020, contract structures next offseason will be affected. And because of that, long-term contract structures and teams' long-range plans could be affected this offseason. To play off our lead example above, for instance: Article 10 of the CBA stipulates that, in the Final League Year, teams are allowed to designate one franchise player and one transition player. So, in a hypothetical (and, frankly, unlikely) example in which neither Prescott nor Cooper is signed to a long-term extension by the end of the 2019 season and no new CBA is negotiated by next March, the Cowboys would have the ability to keep both of those players off the open market by designating one a franchise player and the other a transition player. You might remember that the final year of the previous CBA -- 2010 -- was an "uncapped year," meaning a year with no salary cap. (We found out later that it wasn't really that, as Washington and Dallas had salary-cap space taken away as punishment for structuring contracts to take advantage of the lack of a 2010 cap after owners agreed in private not to do that.) The current CBA makes no such stipulation, and 2020 will feature a salary cap just like the first nine years of the deal have. In fact, because of the rules in place specifically for the Final League Year, the 2020 cap will offer some unique challenges: No post-June 1 designations In a normal year, if a team wants to release a player from his contract without incurring an excessive amount of dead money on its salary cap, the team is allowed to designate that player a post-June 1 release. Doing so allows the team to defer a chunk of the dead-money cap hit into the following season. For example, let's say the Kansas City Chiefs decide in the next couple of weeks to release veteran safety Eric Berry. He has four years left on his contract but only $2.95 million in remaining guarantees. Because the contract was signed in 2017 and included a $20 million signing bonus, the Chiefs carry a $4 million cap charge in each of the contract's first five seasons as a prorated portion of the signing bonus. They have three of those years left, so $12 million worth of signing-bonus proration. Cutting Berry now would require them to accelerate all $12 million of that onto this year's cap. Combined with Berry's salary guarantee, that would mean a $14.95 million cap charge for Berry if he were cut. However, if in this (purely hypothetical) example, the Chiefs were to designate Berry a post-June 1 cut, the CBA rules would allow them to defer $8 million of that signing proration onto next year's cap, so this year's dead-money charge would be only $6.95 million. It's an accounting loophole that saves $8 million on this year's salary cap by floating it into next year and delaying the team's present-year cap relief until June 2. In the Final League Year, there are no post-June 1 release designations. A team in our example dealing with the same problem next year would have to absorb the full dead-money hit no matter when it released the player. It makes sense when you think about it: Why would you make it easier for a team to release a player by allowing it to defer a cap hit into a season that might never even happen? So watch out when the new contract structures start to roll in this March, and don't be surprised to see teams structuring the deals to limit dead-money charges in 2020 (as some of the 2017 and 2018 free-agent deals already have). That could mean lower signing bonuses, greater reliance on roster bonuses, higher guaranteed 2019 salaries and shorter-term deals overall, as teams likely won't want to be financially unable to release players they don't feel are playing up to their contracts. The '30 percent' rule Article 13, Section 7 of the CBA mandates that "no player contract extending into a season beyond the Final League Year may provide for an annual increase in salary ... of more than 30 percent of the salary provided for in the Final League Year, per year, either in the season after the Final League Year or in any subsequent season covered by the Player Contract." So if a player signs a five-year contract this offseason, and his 2020 salary is $10 million, the rules state his scheduled 2021, 2022 and 2023 salaries can't be higher than $13 million, $16 million and $19 million, respectively. And yes, there are already contracts on the books that reflect this. The deal Odell Beckham Jr. signed with the Giants last summer, for example, provides for a higher salary this year ($17 million) than in 2020 ($14.25 million), 2021 ($15.75 million), 2022 ($15 million) and 2023 ($15 million). The 30 percent rule would allow the Giants to pay Beckham up to $18.525-$27.075 million in each of the years from 2021-23; as you can see, they are well under that figure. But Beckham's contract pays him about $38.5 million in the first two years of the deal (2018-2019), a structure that allows him to get more of his money sooner and also allows the Giants to stay well clear of the 30 percent rule on the back end of the type of contract that doesn't usually get paid out in full anyway. The 2016 book "Crunching Numbers: An Inside Look at the Salary Cap and Negotiating Player Contracts" by Jason Fitzgerald and Vijay Natarajan (which was a big help in putting this piece together) deals with the 30 percent rule in greater detail and has helpful, concrete examples of different contract structures. Incentive structures In a normal year, if a player's contract calls for in-season incentive bonuses, these don't always have to be counted against the team's salary cap until after the season. Teams put "Not Likely To Be Earned" incentives (NLTBEs) in many contracts, and incentives that qualify as such aren't counted against the salary cap until after the season, when those that were earned are charged retroactively. This allows teams to stay under the cap while promising their players they'll be taken care of if they play well. The New England Patriots used $38.8 million in NLTBEs in 2018 -- far more than any other team (Washington was second at $24.6 million). This is perfectly legal and likely the result of the Patriots' ability to promise their players postseason shares and Super Bowl glory more reliably than other teams can. But in 2020, unless a new CBA is reached between now and then, it will be tougher to pull that off. In the Final League Year, any incentive bonuses, be they likely or unlikely to be earned, will count against a team's salary cap the moment they are triggered. For example, if a player gets a $1 million incentive for catching 75 passes, as soon as he catches his 75th pass of the 2020 season, his team absorbs a fresh $1 million salary-cap charge. In 2019 and all previous years of the current agreement, the team wouldn't have to account for that charge until after the season was over. What this means is that teams giving out new deals this offseason will have to be conscious of the way their incentive clauses are structured in the 2020 season to avoid having to make tough roster decisions during the season if their players hit their incentives. These are just a few examples of the way the looming end of the CBA could affect the league's economic landscape over the next 12 to 24 months. Players and owners have yet to begin negotiating a new CBA or an extension to the current one, and NFLPA executive director DeMaurice Smith has used terms such as "prepare for war" while suggesting a work stoppage is likely before a new deal can be reached. It's possible the clouds clear and a deal gets done in time for none of these Final League Year rules to matter. But in the meantime, as the franchise-tag designation period swings into high gear and free agency lurks around the corner, keep in mind that teams are having to juggle stuff they haven't had to deal with before now. There you go There is not an uncapped year There are no june 1 cuts you get a franchise and transition tag with the 30 percent rule and incentives in contracts there has to be serious thought on contract structure also.
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