Chiefs Shawn Zobel on 610 - Page 5

**BigMeatballDave** · 11-27-2012, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

As much as I would love to add Jarvis Jones or Teo or Star to this defense, QB is our #1 need by far and it isn't even close. Barkley and Smith are about as safe quarterback picks you can get. It sucks they just followed Luck and Griffin.

Still on the Barkley bandwagon, eh?

Ace Gunner · 11-27-2012, 08:58 AM

RG3 & Luck are pretty talented players. Guys like that don't come along but once a decade or so. This class isn't great, but the Chiefs need a QB and should grab the best one available first up.

Te'o is great and all, there are a few defensive players that are good in this draft. But I would bite the bullet and take a QB. Too many other teams need a QB in this draft, so it's going to be a reach, but a necessity.

htismaqe · 11-27-2012, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Lou_Zare

RG3 & Luck are pretty talented players. Guys like that don't come along but once a decade or so. This class isn't great, but the Chiefs need a QB and should grab the best one available first up.

I don't get this. This is pure revisionist history.

ANDREW LUCK is the guy that only comes around every 10 years or so.

Robert Griffin has been anointed as such AFTER THE FACT, not before. In fact, the rarity of a prospect like Luck and the fact that Griffin was taken immediately afterwards, elevated Griffin to a height he would have never reached on his own pre-draft.

Now Griffin's indicator stats right now are off the charts - nearly 70% completion percentage, 16/4 TD/INT ratio, and over 8 YPA. People lumping him in with Luck appear to be justified but it's with the benefit of hindsight.

We can't sit here today and pretend that Luck and Griffin were 1a and 1b going into last year's draft.

LTL · 11-27-2012, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

I don't get this. This is pure revisionist history.

ANDREW LUCK is the guy that only comes around every 10 years or so.

Robert Griffin has been anointed as such AFTER THE FACT, not before. In fact, the rarity of a prospect like Luck and the fact that Griffin was taken immediately afterwards, elevated Griffin to a height he would have never reached on his own pre-draft.

Now Griffin's indicator stats right now are off the charts - nearly 70% completion percentage, 16/4 TD/INT ratio, and over 8 YPA. People lumping him in with Luck appear to be justified but it's with the benefit of hindsight.

We can't sit here today and pretend that Luck and Griffin were 1a and 1b going into last year's draft.

Pretty much.

This same Zobel guy had Barkley as the #2 QB last year around this time and called him a franchise guy saying he has all the tools and intangibles.

Deberg_1990 · 11-27-2012, 08:58 AM

28-63 since 2007...

But yea, its too risky to draft a QB.

**BigMeatballDave** · 11-27-2012, 08:59 AM

After 30 yrs without drafting a QB in the 1st and national sports media talking about it, there is NO WAY they can avoid doing it.

Chiefs Pantalones · 11-27-2012, 09:12 AM

If we don't pick a QB first there will be mass hysteria in this house.

PhillyChiefFan · 11-27-2012, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefs Pantalones

If we don't pick a QB first there will be mass hysteria in this house.

Yep. Because CP members seem to be pretty much in agreement on that, for the most part.

But it blows my mind the ineptitude of some of the people that call in saying draft an ILB with the #1 pick, or anything BUT a QB. Maybe Geno Smith isn't the ultimate answer, but take the chance that he is or move on in 2 seasons by drafting another QB.

I just cannot believe anyone would even RISK going into next season with either of the QB's that we have.

The next HC/GM will need to completely clean house to make me believe again.

PhillyChiefFan · 11-27-2012, 09:21 AM

Are the Chiefs the ONLY team in the NFL that hasn't drafted a QB in the 1st RD in almost 30 years?

And these dumbasses that are calling for defense in the 1st RD can GTFO. Defense was the only thing stopping a complete and utter blowout Sunday. They held the #2 ranked offense to 17 pts. Had we actually had a signal caller that could lead the team to a TD, we may have even...GASP...WON the game!!

Are people REALLY this stupid?!?!? Trade for Tebow...Trade for Alex Smith...WTF!??! Are these people watching the same train wreck I am week in/week out?!?

suds79 · 11-27-2012, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by PhillyChiefFan

Are the Chiefs the ONLY team in the NFL that hasn't drafted a QB in the 1st RD in almost 30 years?

And these dumbasses that are calling for defense in the 1st RD can GTFO. Defense was the only thing stopping a complete and utter blowout Sunday. They held the #2 ranked offense to 17 pts. Had we actually had a signal caller that could lead the team to a TD, we may have even...GASP...WON the game!!

Are people REALLY this stupid?!?!? Trade for Tebow...Trade for Alex Smith...WTF!??! Are these people watching the same train wreck I am week in/week out?!?

I think this is just the stupid ebbs and flows of the off-season (which we are in) that you hear about.

Guys stock will rise & fall. Right now it's down on QBs. But if any of the guys have a big bowl game, they'll rise. Or during Matt, Tyler or Geno's pro day it'll rise.

I still think we'll just take QB #1 overall so I'm not freaking out. But yeah it is dumb to think that of all organizations, this one could neglect QB again.

okcchief · 11-27-2012, 09:27 AM

Yeah, let's pick up a 49er QB. This would only be the 4th time and we have so many rings to show for it.

FML

Pasta Little Brioni · 11-27-2012, 09:29 AM

Seriously, anyone wanting an ILB with the number 1 overall pick has no ****ing clue about the game of football and all takes prior and future are null and void of credibility.

PhillyChiefFan · 11-27-2012, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by PGM

Seriously, anyone wanting an ILB with the number 1 overall pick has no ****ing clue about the game of football and all takes prior and future are null and void of credibility.

Yep!

Beef Supreme · 11-27-2012, 09:33 AM

The media hates the Chiefs. They defend Cassel and Pioli until there is absolutely no choice but to admit they suck. Then they say shit like we should go get Alex Smith.

Would they want Alex ****ing Smith to be the QB of their team? No ****ing way. But he is fine for the Chiefs.

nychief · 11-27-2012, 09:35 AM

Alex Smith was almost out if the league till Harbaugh showed up.... No thank you.

11-27-2012, 08:58 AM	#2
Ace Gunner First Overall Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: kcmo Casino cash: $10007271	RG3 & Luck are pretty talented players. Guys like that don't come along but once a decade or so. This class isn't great, but the Chiefs need a QB and should grab the best one available first up. Te'o is great and all, there are a few defensive players that are good in this draft. But I would bite the bullet and take a QB. Too many other teams need a QB in this draft, so it's going to be a reach, but a necessity. __________________ The Greatest
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Deberg_1990 In Search of a Life Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Antonio Tx. Casino cash: $3884454	28-63 since 2007... But yea, its too risky to draft a QB. __________________ Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning: Matt once made a very nice play in Seattle where he spun away from a pass rusher and hit Bowe off his back foot for a first down. One of the best plays Matt has ever made.
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BigMeatballDave GBM 8-12-15 Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Dayton, Oh. Casino cash: $10052154	After 30 yrs without drafting a QB in the 1st and national sports media talking about it, there is NO WAY they can avoid doing it.
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Chiefs Pantalones GO CHIEFS!!!!!! Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $7888717	If we don't pick a QB first there will be mass hysteria in this house. __________________ Don't be fooled by my username, I'm white.
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11-27-2012, 09:21 AM	#9
PhillyChiefFan Veteran Join Date: May 2007 Location: Harrisburg, PA Casino cash: $4511139	Are the Chiefs the ONLY team in the NFL that hasn't drafted a QB in the 1st RD in almost 30 years? And these dumbasses that are calling for defense in the 1st RD can GTFO. Defense was the only thing stopping a complete and utter blowout Sunday. They held the #2 ranked offense to 17 pts. Had we actually had a signal caller that could lead the team to a TD, we may have even...GASP...WON the game!! Are people REALLY this stupid?!?!? Trade for Tebow...Trade for Alex Smith...WTF!??! Are these people watching the same train wreck I am week in/week out?!?
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11-27-2012, 09:27 AM	#11
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11-27-2012, 09:29 AM	#12
Pasta Little Brioni Consuming CP souls Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: U.S.A. Casino cash: $3848880	Seriously, anyone wanting an ILB with the number 1 overall pick has no **ing clue about the game of football and all takes prior and future are null and void of credibility. __________________ Official TFWdemB Trivia Commisioner**
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11-27-2012, 09:33 AM	#14
Beef Supreme MVP Join Date: Oct 2010 Casino cash: $10019560	The media hates the Chiefs. They defend Cassel and Pioli until there is absolutely no choice but to admit they suck. Then they say shit like we should go get Alex Smith. Would they want Alex **ing Smith to be the QB of their team? No **ing way. But he is fine for the Chiefs.
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11-27-2012, 09:35 AM	#15
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