***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by DaFace

There are rarely things in life that are black and white. Is it safe to get in a car or not? If you're in a car, will a seatbelt keep you safe?

CDC guidelines should be much closer to black and white than what the policy reads on their website I can tell you that. We discussed it at length in our meeting this morning.

My point was the motivation to make the change sounds more than a little odd considering they then want to tell you to ideally follow the 14 day timeframe its going to make managing this a pain in the ass more than it was.

Sure if you don't have to deal with employees and and employee family members totaling 2400-3200 people affecting your facility over 4 states I guess its pretty simple and not a big deal if it isn't "black and white".

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

The 3rd party access they're talking about is the Ticketmaster example we've been discussing here.

The ability for a 3rd party the "needs" your vaccination information to look it up.

Once that happens, the sky is the limit. Data mining, advertising, who knows what else.

And sure, you're can make it explicitly opt-in but when you go to Walmart that one time and give them permission, are they going to give you a 3-page privacy notice that tells you that opting in one time gives them access for 30 days after you leave?

Yea I get that and that's the point not being addressed by Hamas.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Yea I get that and that's the point not being addressed by Hamas.

The "experts" have spoken. Just do what they say and already!

[WhawhaWhat]

This thread is really going off the rails today.

[O.city]

How is this any different than having to have a vaccination card when we go to school?

[loochy]

Originally Posted by O.city

How is this any different than having to have a vaccination card when we go to school?

cuz the gubberment wants to control yer life

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by O.city

How is this any different than having to have a vaccination card when we go to school?

I can honestly say I cannot ever recall having a vaccination "card". I have had to list the vaccinations my child has had to the school but never a card. I personally have no problem with it but the UK and some of the talk here is places are going to want to see the card and what not before they let you in or whatever. Doesn't sound legal to me but whatevs.....

[O.city]

Originally Posted by petegz28

I can honestly say I cannot ever recall having a vaccination "card".

Iirc, the health dept has them, we have one for each of our kids in our lock box at home. Have to show it for their school.

I still have mine from my childhood

[loochy]

Originally Posted by petegz28

I can honestly say I cannot ever recall having a vaccination "card". I have had to list the vaccinations my child has had to the school but never a card. I personally have no problem with it but the UK and some of the talk here is places are going to want to see the card and what not before they let you in or whatever. Doesn't sound legal to me but whatevs.....

I've had one for years....way back to when I was a little kid. My wife has one too, and so does my son.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by O.city

How is this any different than having to have a vaccination card when we go to school?

Never had to have a vaccination card to go to school. Neither did my kids.

But as was explained earlier in the thread (maybe 2-3 days ago), that's a once-a-year issue. We're talking about the possibility of having to present your immunization status almost everywhere you go, every day.

That's not even close to the school analogy.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by O.city

How is this any different than having to have a vaccination card when we go to school?

A parent can choose for their children to not go to a school where vaccinations are mandated.

[htismaqe]

It's pretty obvious that vax cards vary state-by-state, just looking at the replies.

So again, this isn't analogous because it's a proposed federal system.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

A parent can choose for their children to not go to a school where vaccinations are mandated.

And?

Cant you chose not to go to a private business or not?

[Kidd Lex]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

It's not an actual classification, no. It's a buzzword they use when the dick with taxes, tax refunds, and other payments.

"The rich need to pay their fair share" as they hand out stimulus checks to everybody that makes $75K or less and leave the rest of us to fend for ourselves.

And a lot of us “rich” people have taken huge pay cuts (income down 30%) this year due to the pandemics affects on our businesses. A lot of us also work on the front lines and have to travel for work to keep business solvent. We receive zero dollars because “rich” 🙄

[AssEaterChief]

Originally Posted by WhawhaWhat

This thread is really going off the rails today.

Today?

This whole forum is a bunch of little kids at each other's throats daily....

But ya 'today' it is really getting out of hand