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Old 11-05-2019, 10:13 AM   #1
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Actually, the total yards allowed over the past 3 weeks averages 295.7 per game. That is good for 3rd place behind San Francisco and New England if you were to extrapolate that total yards allowed figure over the entire season so far.

1. 49ers - 241.0
2. Patriots - 249.3
3. Chiefs - 295.7
4. Bills - 296.2
5. Broncos - 309.7
This is a super important stat, I think...just behind the more important plays-from-scrimmage for our defense. People have often said - correctly - that yards coughed up (bending) do not matter nearly as much when you're not giving up the points...or more specifically, touchdowns (don't break). But with such a quick-strike offense, to really build around Pat and his skills, we need a defense that is tailored to get off the field quickly...even if it means giving up big plays, occasionally (which WILL rack up the yards), we can live with that IF we keep the number plays down. Because Pat is going to strike quick again and the defense will need to be right back out on the field and that just increases fatigue and susceptibility to injury.

I'm hoping we're seeing the beginning of Spags figuring out how to achieve this consistently.

And while it's not the biggest priority, I think we really need a grinder running back that can put games away once we achieve the ideal point where time-remaining and point-differential demands a slow-down. This also protects Pat at the end of games from some stupid desperation hits that players might want to take on our Franchise.
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Old 11-06-2019, 12:34 PM   #2
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This is a super important stat, I think...just behind the more important plays-from-scrimmage for our defense. People have often said - correctly - that yards coughed up (bending) do not matter nearly as much when you're not giving up the points...or more specifically, touchdowns (don't break). But with such a quick-strike offense, to really build around Pat and his skills, we need a defense that is tailored to get off the field quickly...even if it means giving up big plays, occasionally (which WILL rack up the yards), we can live with that IF we keep the number plays down. Because Pat is going to strike quick again and the defense will need to be right back out on the field and that just increases fatigue and susceptibility to injury.

I'm hoping we're seeing the beginning of Spags figuring out how to achieve this consistently.

And while it's not the biggest priority, I think we really need a grinder running back that can put games away once we achieve the ideal point where time-remaining and point-differential demands a slow-down. This also protects Pat at the end of games from some stupid desperation hits that players might want to take on our Franchise.
Yes! I agree that this team needs more of a boom or bust defense rather than a bend but don't break defense.
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Old 11-06-2019, 06:05 PM   #3
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This is a super important stat, I think...just behind the more important plays-from-scrimmage for our defense. People have often said - correctly - that yards coughed up (bending) do not matter nearly as much when you're not giving up the points...or more specifically, touchdowns (don't break). But with such a quick-strike offense, to really build around Pat and his skills, we need a defense that is tailored to get off the field quickly...even if it means giving up big plays, occasionally (which WILL rack up the yards), we can live with that IF we keep the number plays down. Because Pat is going to strike quick again and the defense will need to be right back out on the field and that just increases fatigue and susceptibility to injury.

I'm hoping we're seeing the beginning of Spags figuring out how to achieve this consistently.

And while it's not the biggest priority, I think we really need a grinder running back that can put games away once we achieve the ideal point where time-remaining and point-differential demands a slow-down. This also protects Pat at the end of games from some stupid desperation hits that players might want to take on our Franchise.


good post.

As for a 'grinder', I think Darrel Williams is perfectly suited. Big back, runs hard, physical. That would required Reid to actually run the ball, which he is loathe to do. I love Reid, I think he's maybe the second or third best coach in the NFL, but he does have some tendencies that I find frustrating. 80/20 pass to run balance is one of those things. I am perhaps exaggerating. Maybe not. shrug.

Unlike Uchieffy****ingmoron, I see the causes of why we don't have a back that rushes for 100 yards per game.

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Old 11-06-2019, 06:14 PM   #4
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good post.

As for a 'grinder', I think Darrel Williams is perfectly suited. Big back, runs hard, physical. That would required Reid to actually run the ball, which he is loathe to do. I love Reid, I think he's maybe the second or third best coach in the NFL, but he does have some tendencies that I find frustrating. 80/20 pass to run balance is one of those things. I am perhaps exaggerating. Maybe not. shrug.

Unlike Uchieffy****ingmoron, I see the causes of why we don't have a back that rushes for 100 yards per game.
For accuracy's sake-

We're a hair under 65% passing ratio for the season. We're 5th in the NFL in that. Who's in front of us? Atlanta, Cinci, NY Giants, Miami.

Eww.

Am I cherrypicking? Well, in the top 14 pass/run ratio teams, only the Rams (9th) and Green Bay (13th) and Chiefs have winning records.

Just saying. We should probably run the ball a little more often.
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Old 11-05-2019, 01:46 PM   #5
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Actually, the total yards allowed over the past 3 weeks averages 295.7 per game. That is good for 3rd place behind San Francisco and New England if you were to extrapolate that total yards allowed figure over the entire season so far.

1. 49ers - 241.0
2. Patriots - 249.3
3. Chiefs - 295.7
4. Bills - 296.2
5. Broncos - 309.7
Against 2 playoff caliber offenses too
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Old 11-05-2019, 01:56 PM   #6
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Against 2 playoff caliber offenses too
Well, they gave up something like 375 yards to Green Bay and didn't force a punt in the second half. So, it's not all roses. But it definitely shows major improvement from a month or so ago.
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Old 11-05-2019, 01:08 PM   #7
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Which "important" stats are we talking about? Over the course of the season several of us have computed at least four or five important stats, but there are literally dozens of defensive stats out there.
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yards per play is the most important stat, in conjunction with third down percentage

we are giving up 4.5 yards per play

that would rank #2 in the NFL by 0.2 yards

third down % allowed is 34.1, which would rank 6th
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Old 11-05-2019, 01:28 PM   #9
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yards per play is the most important stat, in conjunction with third down percentage

we are giving up 4.5 yards per play

that would rank #2 in the NFL by 0.2 yards

third down % allowed is 34.1, which would rank 6th
Agreed.

But which stats are important can get kind of subjective, which is all I meant in my other post.

"Potential points per play," is a stat, and even if I'am not interested in that one, others think it's a big deal, for example.

I tend to look at the ones you've mentioned, as well as things like points given up per game, passing yards given up per attempt, rushing yards given up per play, etc.
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yards per play is the most important stat, in conjunction with third down percentage

we are giving up 4.5 yards per play

that would rank #2 in the NFL by 0.2 yards

third down % allowed is 34.1, which would rank 6th
That is very impressive. Hopefully, this is the start of something special.
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yards per play is frequently given weight because it exists independent of things like turnovers and an offense giving the ball back to the other team too much
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I know I've calculated rush yards/play over the last three games recently, which was about 3.8 yards/rush, which would be in the top 10. I also did pass yards/attempt, but I don't recall that result off the top of my head.

We need the OP to post a list of the stat lines he's interested in.
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I'm also curious to see how the defense reacts once opposing offenses have an emergency to score on every possession because our offense is unstoppable.

Opposing offenses learned they can be successful running the ball and wearing our defense down. But that doesn't work if our defense makes run stops. In fact it backfires big time.

So teams may start attacking us with an aggressive pass attack. I have a feeling our defense will soon start giving up big chunk yards and more points, but force a lot more sacks and turnovers.
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I'm also curious to see how the defense reacts once opposing offenses have an emergency to score on every possession because our offense is unstoppable.

Opposing offenses learned they can be successful running the ball and wearing our defense down. But that doesn't work if our defense makes run stops. In fact it backfires big time.

So teams may start attacking us with an aggressive pass attack. I have a feeling our defense will soon start giving up big chunk yards and more points, but force a lot more sacks and turnovers.
yeah, well...fine.

If someone wants to try to just drop back and chuck it every down, it's their QB's funeral.
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