Typical Roy Williams team. - Page 2

milkman · 03-23-2001, 10:47 PM

Why anyone was concerned about losing Williams to NC before this season remains a mystery to me. I haven't had an oportunity to see this year's edition until tonight, but this team resembles every other team that Willams has put on the hardwood in seasons past.
His idea of a physical presence is a center that lacks anything resembling athleticism. The rest of the team lacks physicality, athleticism, or quickness.
As long as he recruits these types of teams, he'll always fall short of the Final Four.
He's the Marty of college hoops.

Clint in Wichita · 03-25-2001, 08:41 AM

There are 62 other coaches that will fail in this tournament as well.

milkman · 03-25-2001, 08:47 AM

And most of those 62 other coaches don't get the hype that Williams does. Williams is the most overated coach in college hoops.

milkman · 03-25-2001, 08:47 AM

And most of those 62 other coaches don't get the hype that Williams does. Williams is the most overated coach in college hoops.

redfan · 03-25-2001, 05:05 PM

in that it is the typical KU mentality that killed 'em. Gooden was absolutely clueless when Illini doubled hard. Lack of depth hurt KU against this team, but it was the lack of nards that hurt more. And don't give me the "They played Thugball!!" excuse. Again, if KU hits some FTs and 'gimme looks', they might win.

KU gets rattled again (due to great D), and can't deal with it. I'm startin' to memorize this tune....

"....jerk my monkey off..."

& replace it w/ a 900lb gorilla

1punkyQB · 03-25-2001, 05:56 PM

Watching the Arizona game, Illinois does play rather thuggishly. Lots of grabbing, pounding.

Mosbonian · 03-25-2001, 06:19 PM

Illinois plays in the Big 10(+1) which has always had the reputation of playing contact Basketball. If Roy was caught off guard by the physical play of Illinois, then it was because he didn't watch any game film.

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1punkyQB · 03-25-2001, 06:28 PM

What should he have done to prepare them for "contact" basketball? Recruit stronger kids and emphasize weight training, IMO, wouldn't be a bad idea, but even then I doubt you can out-thug a thuggish team. I don't think watching game film would've done much good either. It's not like seeing a guy who has trouble going to his left and pressuring him to do so, if they're gonna knock the crap out of you, there's not much you can do about it.

Mosbonian · 03-25-2001, 06:56 PM

1p-q:

As an unbiased observer of the game, I guess I didn't observe it as a "slugfest" in the sense that most KU fans are painting it.

Try playing BB in the SEC for a while....I can tell you that KU wouldn't last long if they are moaning about the physicality of that game.

When you play in the NCAA tourney you MUST be prepared for the style of the team that you are playing.(Which was Norm's problem at MU, he never prepared his teams during the tourney)

To bemoan the loss is to belittle the success that KU should enjoy for having a good season.

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Pitt Gorilla · 03-25-2001, 09:51 PM

This was David vs. Goliath, in a literal sense. The KU players looked like skinny little girls compared to their counterparts. Please lay off the thug crap; the officials called a good clean game. BTW, I read a quote from Gooden on how being leaner was an advantage because they could out-quick their opponents. Well, the weight room paid off a lot better than the quicks. When Chenowith is the best there is to offer at center, one shouldn't expect to get to the final four.

1punkyQB · 03-25-2001, 10:15 PM

IU did deserve to win, but the thug thing isn't "crap". They DID commit two intentional fouls Fri and had most of their frontline foul out on Fri and tonight. As Walton pointed out, they know they can foul a lot because of their depth. A very Laimbeer approach.

RJ · 03-25-2001, 10:43 PM

I'm no expert on Big10 basketball, but it seems to me that the league has always played a very physical style. Love it or hate it, it falls within the rules. I heard today that Mich. St. outrebounds opponents by 15 per game. That is an insane stat and doesn't happen without being an extremely aggressive team. Same with Illinois.

1punkyQB · 03-25-2001, 10:51 PM

Not saying it doesn't fall within the rules, just calling it what it is. You won't lose your job for throwing the occasional beanball either, but we all still know Clemens is a prick.

KCWolfman · 03-25-2001, 10:56 PM

<b>Clint</b> - C'Mon. You know, 30 other teams fail in the NFL every year too - so do you ever cut Peterson slack??? It doesn't make sense to me that you do for Williams.

When you read that sign that says 100 billion served at McDonalds, about half have been to Roy for all his All Americans. With all that supposed talent, you would think he would have done something by now.

<b>Oleman</b> - Only Pierce is a legitimate NBA starter. Ostertag, Vaughn, and LaFrentz will be perennial backups for their entire careers - or at best, starters on very bad teams.

1punkyQB · 03-25-2001, 11:03 PM

Raef's a pretty good player. I was sorry to see him get hurt so early in his career, but hopefully in a few years he'll have developed into an upper-echelon player. He's a starter, BTW, with 30+ mins a game.
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KCWolfman · 03-25-2001, 11:19 PM

Punky - As I stated, if they are starters, they will be starters on less than quality teams. The Nuggets have never been a serious basketball team.

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1punkyQB Starter Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Virginia Casino cash: $10004900	Watching the Arizona game, Illinois does play rather thuggishly. Lots of grabbing, pounding.
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03-23-2001, 10:47 PM
milkman Dumbass! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Leading the Marty bashing Casino cash: $10029395	Why anyone was concerned about losing Williams to NC before this season remains a mystery to me. I haven't had an oportunity to see this year's edition until tonight, but this team resembles every other team that Willams has put on the hardwood in seasons past. His idea of a physical presence is a center that lacks anything resembling athleticism. The rest of the team lacks physicality, athleticism, or quickness. As long as he recruits these types of teams, he'll always fall short of the Final Four. He's the Marty of college hoops.
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03-25-2001, 06:19 PM	#21
Mosbonian On Hiatus Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $2549700	Illinois plays in the Big 10(+1) which has always had the reputation of playing contact Basketball. If Roy was caught off guard by the physical play of Illinois, then it was because he didn't watch any game film. mmaddog **********
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03-25-2001, 06:28 PM	#22
1punkyQB Starter Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Virginia Casino cash: $10004900	What should he have done to prepare them for "contact" basketball? Recruit stronger kids and emphasize weight training, IMO, wouldn't be a bad idea, but even then I doubt you can out-thug a thuggish team. I don't think watching game film would've done much good either. It's not like seeing a guy who has trouble going to his left and pressuring him to do so, if they're gonna knock the crap out of you, there's not much you can do about it. Last edited by 1punkyQB; 03-25-2001 at 06:31 PM..
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03-25-2001, 06:56 PM	#23
Mosbonian On Hiatus Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $2549700	1p-q: As an unbiased observer of the game, I guess I didn't observe it as a "slugfest" in the sense that most KU fans are painting it. Try playing BB in the SEC for a while....I can tell you that KU wouldn't last long if they are moaning about the physicality of that game. When you play in the NCAA tourney you MUST be prepared for the style of the team that you are playing.(Which was Norm's problem at MU, he never prepared his teams during the tourney) To bemoan the loss is to belittle the success that KU should enjoy for having a good season. mmaddog ************
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03-25-2001, 09:51 PM	#24
Pitt Gorilla Banned! Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: NOT Columbia, MO 65201 Casino cash: $2930194	This was David vs. Goliath, in a literal sense. The KU players looked like skinny little girls compared to their counterparts. Please lay off the thug crap; the officials called a good clean game. BTW, I read a quote from Gooden on how being leaner was an advantage because they could out-quick their opponents. Well, the weight room paid off a lot better than the quicks. When Chenowith is the best there is to offer at center, one shouldn't expect to get to the final four. __________________ Your son is a bench warmer because of your weak genetics not because of the coach Norlin Mommsen is disgusting.
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03-25-2001, 10:15 PM	#25
1punkyQB Starter Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Virginia Casino cash: $10004900	IU did deserve to win, but the thug thing isn't "crap". They DID commit two intentional fouls Fri and had most of their frontline foul out on Fri and tonight. As Walton pointed out, they know they can foul a lot because of their depth. A very Laimbeer approach.
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RJ Supporter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: In a shotgun shack Casino cash: $9965202	I'm no expert on Big10 basketball, but it seems to me that the league has always played a very physical style. Love it or hate it, it falls within the rules. I heard today that Mich. St. outrebounds opponents by 15 per game. That is an insane stat and doesn't happen without being an extremely aggressive team. Same with Illinois.
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03-25-2001, 10:51 PM	#27
1punkyQB Starter Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Virginia Casino cash: $10004900	Not saying it doesn't fall within the rules, just calling it what it is. You won't lose your job for throwing the occasional beanball either, but we all still know Clemens is a prick.
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KCWolfman Fall down 7 times, get up 8 Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	<b>Clint</b> - C'Mon. You know, 30 other teams fail in the NFL every year too - so do you ever cut Peterson slack??? It doesn't make sense to me that you do for Williams. When you read that sign that says 100 billion served at McDonalds, about half have been to Roy for all his All Americans. With all that supposed talent, you would think he would have done something by now. <b>Oleman</b> - Only Pierce is a legitimate NBA starter. Ostertag, Vaughn, and LaFrentz will be perennial backups for their entire careers - or at best, starters on very bad teams. __________________ How strangely will the Tools of a Tyrant pervert the plain Meaning of Words! Samuel Adams
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KCWolfman Fall down 7 times, get up 8 Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	Punky - As I stated, if they are starters, they will be starters on less than quality teams. The Nuggets have never been a serious basketball team. __________________ How strangely will the Tools of a Tyrant pervert the plain Meaning of Words! Samuel Adams
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