Typical Roy Williams team. - Page 3

milkman · 03-23-2001, 10:47 PM

Why anyone was concerned about losing Williams to NC before this season remains a mystery to me. I haven't had an oportunity to see this year's edition until tonight, but this team resembles every other team that Willams has put on the hardwood in seasons past.
His idea of a physical presence is a center that lacks anything resembling athleticism. The rest of the team lacks physicality, athleticism, or quickness.
As long as he recruits these types of teams, he'll always fall short of the Final Four.
He's the Marty of college hoops.

1punkyQB · 03-25-2001, 11:24 PM

Just because it's his misfortune to play on the Nuggets doesn't mean he's not a good player. Look at his #'s. Solid young player. If he bolts to the Lakers as a FA, will he suddenly become worthy of your respect? He's no Shaq, but he is a legit NBA starter.

KCWolfman · 03-25-2001, 11:53 PM

Punky - If he went to the Lakers, he would not be a starter, just as I said.

It isn't Michael Jordan's fault he went to a poor team like the Bulls.
It isn't Alan Iverson's fault he went to a poor team like the 76ers.

LaFrentz plays ok, but he is not a legitimate starter on a contending team, nor will he be.

1punkyQB · 03-26-2001, 12:05 AM

Horace Grant is the Lakers current starter at PF([url]http://games.espn.go.com/cgi/fba/request.dll?PLAYERCARD&nPlayerID=00131[/url]). I'd say LaFrentz is every bit as good as he is. He's a capable starter, as is reflected by his #'s. Ron Harper was an average player for the Clippers and an average player for the Bulls. Did playing on a championship team suddenly turn him into a good player? No, he was an average player surrounded by extraordinary talent. That doesn't change his individual skills one bit. If Raef had been lucky enough to start on those Bulls teams(pretty sure he could fill Luc Longley's shoes), would you then say he was a good player? There are good players on bad teams. Raef is one of them.

Pitt Gorilla · 03-26-2001, 12:40 AM

Why didn't Raef shoot the 3 more for the Jayhawks? Is Roy reeruned? Raef has great NBA 3 pt. range but can't hit the same college 3 that 14 year old, 100 lb. girls hit with ease? Once again, this reflects upon Roy's weird system that seemingly punishes talent. Paul is a much better player now than he was in college. Scot Pollard suddenly has skills. What's the deal?

1punkyQB · 03-26-2001, 12:47 AM

That was all the talk about Raef when he was recruited. A guy that size who can hit the 3-pointer. Then he comes here and doesn't take it. Except for that last, desperate shot in the Arizona game, of course. Bad memories.

Gary · 03-26-2001, 03:59 PM

REGARDING THIS NBA-CALIBER TALENT ISSUE, JUST TAKE A LOOK AT THE 1988 SEASON WHEN DANNY MANNING LED THEM ALL THE WAY TO THE CHAMPION-SHIP. NOW, WHAT EXACTLY HAS HE DONE IN THE NBA? COULD IT HAVE BEEN THAT COACH BROWN HAD A PRETTY GOOD SYSTEM IN PLACE THAT ALLOWED LITTLE BETTER THAN AVERAGE PLAYERS & ONE PRETTY GOOD PLAYER TO FLOURISH?????

03-25-2001, 11:24 PM	#31
1punkyQB Starter Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Virginia Casino cash: $10004900	Just because it's his misfortune to play on the Nuggets doesn't mean he's not a good player. Look at his #'s. Solid young player. If he bolts to the Lakers as a FA, will he suddenly become worthy of your respect? He's no Shaq, but he is a legit NBA starter.
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03-25-2001, 11:53 PM	#32
KCWolfman Fall down 7 times, get up 8 Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	Punky - If he went to the Lakers, he would not be a starter, just as I said. It isn't Michael Jordan's fault he went to a poor team like the Bulls. It isn't Alan Iverson's fault he went to a poor team like the 76ers. LaFrentz plays ok, but he is not a legitimate starter on a contending team, nor will he be. __________________ How strangely will the Tools of a Tyrant pervert the plain Meaning of Words! Samuel Adams
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03-26-2001, 12:05 AM	#33
1punkyQB Starter Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Virginia Casino cash: $10004900	Horace Grant is the Lakers current starter at PF([url]http://games.espn.go.com/cgi/fba/request.dll?PLAYERCARD&nPlayerID=00131[/url]). I'd say LaFrentz is every bit as good as he is. He's a capable starter, as is reflected by his #'s. Ron Harper was an average player for the Clippers and an average player for the Bulls. Did playing on a championship team suddenly turn him into a good player? No, he was an average player surrounded by extraordinary talent. That doesn't change his individual skills one bit. If Raef had been lucky enough to start on those Bulls teams(pretty sure he could fill Luc Longley's shoes), would you then say he was a good player? There are good players on bad teams. Raef is one of them. Last edited by 1punkyQB; 03-26-2001 at 12:10 AM..
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03-26-2001, 12:40 AM	#34
Pitt Gorilla Banned! Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: NOT Columbia, MO 65201 Casino cash: $2930194	Why didn't Raef shoot the 3 more for the Jayhawks? Is Roy reeruned? Raef has great NBA 3 pt. range but can't hit the same college 3 that 14 year old, 100 lb. girls hit with ease? Once again, this reflects upon Roy's weird system that seemingly punishes talent. Paul is a much better player now than he was in college. Scot Pollard suddenly has skills. What's the deal? __________________ Your son is a bench warmer because of your weak genetics not because of the coach Norlin Mommsen is disgusting.
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03-26-2001, 12:47 AM	#35
1punkyQB Starter Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Virginia Casino cash: $10004900	That was all the talk about Raef when he was recruited. A guy that size who can hit the 3-pointer. Then he comes here and doesn't take it. Except for that last, desperate shot in the Arizona game, of course. Bad memories.
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03-23-2001, 10:47 PM
milkman Dumbass! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Leading the Marty bashing Casino cash: $10029395	Why anyone was concerned about losing Williams to NC before this season remains a mystery to me. I haven't had an oportunity to see this year's edition until tonight, but this team resembles every other team that Willams has put on the hardwood in seasons past. His idea of a physical presence is a center that lacks anything resembling athleticism. The rest of the team lacks physicality, athleticism, or quickness. As long as he recruits these types of teams, he'll always fall short of the Final Four. He's the Marty of college hoops.
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03-26-2001, 03:59 PM	#36
Gary The Shepherd Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Sunny Florida Casino cash: $9965472	REGARDING THIS NBA-CALIBER TALENT ISSUE, JUST TAKE A LOOK AT THE 1988 SEASON WHEN DANNY MANNING LED THEM ALL THE WAY TO THE CHAMPION-SHIP. NOW, WHAT EXACTLY HAS HE DONE IN THE NBA? COULD IT HAVE BEEN THAT COACH BROWN HAD A PRETTY GOOD SYSTEM IN PLACE THAT ALLOWED LITTLE BETTER THAN AVERAGE PLAYERS & ONE PRETTY GOOD PLAYER TO FLOURISH?????
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