Chiefs Geno Smith is not worth the 1st overall pick - Page 9

CoMoChief · 01-01-2013, 10:16 AM

Alex Smith v2.0

htismaqe · 01-01-2013, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by CanadaKC

about Star...from scouts.com

Drawing comparisons to Ravens stud defensive tackle Haloti Ngata, Lotulelei has the potential to be the top defensive tackle selected in April and even the top overall pick. As a first-team All-Pac-12 selection in 2011 and 2012, Lotulelei has had a strong season this year even if double and triple teams prevents him from putting up eye-popping stats

Yeah, we need another defensive linemen. Maybe we can bring back Pioli and Cassel too while we are at it.

Kidd Lex · 01-01-2013, 04:58 PM

Watching the game tape there is zero question, Geno Smith should be our QB in 2013.

Simplicity · 01-01-2013, 05:03 PM

Kids and their stupid logic. GTFO CoMo.

Mother****erJones · 01-01-2013, 05:15 PM

Ya Geno Smith is Alex Smith...NOT! haha. Geno has a ****ing terrible defense that always forces Geno to try and carry the team

Cmd'r&Chief · 01-01-2013, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by The God Hypothesis

Watching the game tape there is zero question, Geno Smith should be our QB in 2013.

He's made some pretty shitty throws...but he's made some tight throws too. Either you have talent, or you don't. Mean Geno Smith has talent. The little mistakes he's made can be corrected through proper coaching and experience.

philfree · 01-01-2013, 05:59 PM

I think this is a fair article.

QB class wide open after Smith's slip-ups in Pinstripe Bowl

By Rob Rang | The Sports Xchange/CBSSports.com
December 29, 2012 8:38 pm ET

A disappointing performance in Saturday's Pinstripe Bowl from West Virginia quarterback Geno Smith will drop his NFL draft stock and trigger a race between a group of rather underwhelming candidates to be the first passer selected in the 2013 NFL draft.

Smith, playing Syracuse for the first time since a humbling upset loss to the Orangemen in October 2011, was sacked for one safety and drew a flag for intentional grounding for another in a 38-14 loss on the snow-covered turf of Yankee Stadium.

Smith's statistics weren't bad (16-for-24 for 187 yards, two TDs/0 INTs), but they were significantly inflated by three big plays to Stedman Bailey that, after closer review, weren't as impressive in reality as they are in print.

Each of the first two completions, good for 32 yards (and a touchdown) and 59 yards, respectively, came off of quick screens in which Smith soft-tossed the ball just a few yards. Smith threw what looked like a well-placed deep ball down the left sideline to Bailey for a 29-yard touchdown in the third quarter, but the throw was made easier when the Syracuse defender covering Bailey lost his footing, leaving the WVU pass catcher alone for the uncontested reception. Other than those three plays, Smith completed 13 passes for a total of 67 yards in the final game that he'll play for West Virginia.

Statistics, of course, can be bent to prove just about anything in football, but the reality is Smith made troubling mental and physical errors against Syracuse. He failed to recognize the blitz off the right side that led to his taking the sack for the first safety. Worse, he was not consistently accurate, short-hopping intermediate routes down the middle and the sideline and sailing a deep ball far out of bounds against single coverage.

To be fair to Smith (and Syracuse quarterback Ryan Nassib), the conditions weren't favorable. It was snowing throughout the game, and the moisture made for poor footing and a slick ball. Both teams dropped several well-thrown passes, and there were botched center-quarterback exchanges from both sides, as well.

It wasn't such terrible conditions, however, that the talent evaluators in attendance won't grade the quarterbacks harshly, especially Smith, who has previously struggled in poor weather.

For the West Virginia passer, Saturday was the complete opposite of the eye-popping performance of nearly a year ago that sparked his rise to the top of the quarterback charts.

Boasting better size, arm strength, athleticism and statistics than preseason darling Matt Barkley, the 6-3, 215 pound Smith shot up past the USC Trojans' star to the top of NFLDraftScout.com's board. While Barkley and Arkansas' Tyler Wilson were adjusting to inexperienced supporting casts, Smith started off the regular season just the way he'd begun 2012, by shredding defenses. Over a six-game stretch extending from last year's 70-33 demolishing of Clemson in the Orange Bowl to a rousing victory over Texas on Oct. 6, Smith was magnificent, tossing 31 touchdowns and zero interceptions and leading WVU to an undefeated record.

Texas Tech provided the blueprint for shutting down the mighty West Virginia offense a week later, however, by pressuring Smith early and limiting the run-after-catch ability of Bailey and his teammate Tavon Austin. The Mountaineers would lose their next four games and, as it turns out, six of their final eight.

The perception -- whether deserved or not -- will be that Smith failed to lead the Mountaineers to victories in six of their last games.

The 2013 class of quarterbacks is lacking in the "sure things" of recent years. The tight rankings could force Smith to play in the Senior Bowl or another prominent all-star game to stabilize his stock.

If he were to do so -- and wound up going No. 1 overall as Dane Brugler and I are currently projecting -- it would be the first time a quarterback who played in a senior all-star game was the first passer selected in his respective draft class since 2003. That year, talent evaluators got to watch then-USC star Carson Palmer erase any doubt that he was the top prospect with a spectacular week in Mobile, Ala., in the Senior Bowl.

Regardless of whether Smith elects to play one last game with the Mountaineers' helmet or wait for the workout sessions from the Combine and/or his Pro Day, nervous NFL decision-makers are eager to see a quarterback -- any quarterback -- pull away in the race to April.

Al Bundy · 01-01-2013, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave Lane

Nobody does stupid like Como, nobody.

As a matter of fact one time he agreed with something I agreed with and I had to re-think the entire concept. That is the power of Como.

Did I mention thats just one letter from Homo? NTAWWT

This sums up Como's CP existence.

lcarus · 01-01-2013, 06:24 PM

I like Geno as much as the next guy. I love his physical tools at the position and I hope to God we draft him. But lets be real here...his stock is gonna have to rise quite a bit between now and April for there to even be a chance of us drafting him at #1.

Nightfyre · 01-01-2013, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by lcarus

I like Geno as much as the next guy. I love his physical tools at the position and I hope to God we draft him. But lets be real here...his stock is gonna have to rise quite a bit between now and April for there to even be a chance of us drafting him at #1.

I really don't think so.

lcarus · 01-01-2013, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre

I really don't think so.

So as we sit right now, you feel like there's a good chance we'll be drafting Geno in April? I hope you're right if so.

**RealSNR** · 01-01-2013, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by philfree

I think this is a fair article.

I'll ignore the analysis and focus on this dumb**** statement:

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The 2013 class of quarterbacks is lacking in the "sure things" of recent years.

NOBODY thought the 2011 QBs were sure things. Nobody thought Bradford, Stafford, or Ryan were sure things. We haven't seen a "sure thing" QB in a draft since Eli Manning.

That's if you discount Luck and RGIII, which tards like Rob Rang are not doing.

God, do I have to ****ing go into the archive and bump all the posts from 2008, 2009, 2010, and 2011 where people are bitching and moaning that those particular QB classes suck ass, and that the Chiefs are in a bad position to draft guys as high as they might be forced to in the first round?

IT'S HAPPENED EVERY ****ING GODDAMNED YEAR.

This year is no ****ing different. Yet it's somehow special to these people for some ****ed up reason.

Nightfyre · 01-01-2013, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by lcarus

So as we sit right now, you feel like there's a good chance we'll be drafting Geno in April? I hope you're right if so.

To me, there is no question who the clear cut best QB in the class is and that is the ONLY real option at the #1 pick for our team.

Molitoth · 01-01-2013, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

I'll ignore the analysis and focus on this dumb**** statement:

NOBODY thought the 2011 QBs were sure things. Nobody thought Bradford, Stafford, or Ryan were sure things. We haven't seen a "sure thing" QB in a draft since Eli Manning.

That's if you discount Luck and RGIII, which tards like Rob Rang are not doing.

God, do I have to ****ing go into the archive and bump all the posts from 2008, 2009, 2010, and 2011 where people are bitching and moaning that those particular QB classes suck ass, and that the Chiefs are in a bad position to draft guys as high as they might be forced to in the first round?

IT'S HAPPENED EVERY ****ING GODDAMNED YEAR.

This year is no ****ing different. Yet it's somehow special to these people for some ****ed up reason.

Quit being right all the time SNR.

philfree · 01-01-2013, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

I'll ignore the analysis and focus on this dumb**** statement:

NOBODY thought the 2011 QBs were sure things. Nobody thought Bradford, Stafford, or Ryan were sure things. We haven't seen a "sure thing" QB in a draft since Eli Manning.

That's if you discount Luck and RGIII, which tards like Rob Rang are not doing.

God, do I have to ****ing go into the archive and bump all the posts from 2008, 2009, 2010, and 2011 where people are bitching and moaning that those particular QB classes suck ass, and that the Chiefs are in a bad position to draft guys as high as they might be forced to in the first round?

IT'S HAPPENED EVERY ****ING GODDAMNED YEAR.

This year is no ****ing different. Yet it's somehow special to these people for some ****ed up reason.

I don't disagree with your post but IMO the thing to take from this is that Geno needs to do what it takes to distance himself from the rest of the QBs. He should win the pre draft process and slam dunk the 1st pick of the draft. He has the chance to do so he should take it.

Molitoth · 01-01-2013, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by philfree

I don't disagree with your post but IMO the thing to take from this is that Geno needs to do what it takes to distance himself from the rest of the QBs. He should win the pre draft process and slam dunk the 1st pick of the draft. He has the chance to do so he should take it.

He already has if you go compare films to bray, Wilson, Glennon, and Barkley.

I suppose you need to know what to look for though instead of the scoreboard.
Even at that, the other qbs weren't on good teams either I suppose.

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philfree Indian Twitter Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Free Agency Casino cash: $1426198	I think this is a fair article. QB class wide open after Smith's slip-ups in Pinstripe Bowl By Rob Rang \| The Sports Xchange/CBSSports.com December 29, 2012 8:38 pm ET A disappointing performance in Saturday's Pinstripe Bowl from West Virginia quarterback Geno Smith will drop his NFL draft stock and trigger a race between a group of rather underwhelming candidates to be the first passer selected in the 2013 NFL draft. Smith, playing Syracuse for the first time since a humbling upset loss to the Orangemen in October 2011, was sacked for one safety and drew a flag for intentional grounding for another in a 38-14 loss on the snow-covered turf of Yankee Stadium. Smith's statistics weren't bad (16-for-24 for 187 yards, two TDs/0 INTs), but they were significantly inflated by three big plays to Stedman Bailey that, after closer review, weren't as impressive in reality as they are in print. Each of the first two completions, good for 32 yards (and a touchdown) and 59 yards, respectively, came off of quick screens in which Smith soft-tossed the ball just a few yards. Smith threw what looked like a well-placed deep ball down the left sideline to Bailey for a 29-yard touchdown in the third quarter, but the throw was made easier when the Syracuse defender covering Bailey lost his footing, leaving the WVU pass catcher alone for the uncontested reception. Other than those three plays, Smith completed 13 passes for a total of 67 yards in the final game that he'll play for West Virginia. Statistics, of course, can be bent to prove just about anything in football, but the reality is Smith made troubling mental and physical errors against Syracuse. He failed to recognize the blitz off the right side that led to his taking the sack for the first safety. Worse, he was not consistently accurate, short-hopping intermediate routes down the middle and the sideline and sailing a deep ball far out of bounds against single coverage. To be fair to Smith (and Syracuse quarterback Ryan Nassib), the conditions weren't favorable. It was snowing throughout the game, and the moisture made for poor footing and a slick ball. Both teams dropped several well-thrown passes, and there were botched center-quarterback exchanges from both sides, as well. It wasn't such terrible conditions, however, that the talent evaluators in attendance won't grade the quarterbacks harshly, especially Smith, who has previously struggled in poor weather. For the West Virginia passer, Saturday was the complete opposite of the eye-popping performance of nearly a year ago that sparked his rise to the top of the quarterback charts. Boasting better size, arm strength, athleticism and statistics than preseason darling Matt Barkley, the 6-3, 215 pound Smith shot up past the USC Trojans' star to the top of NFLDraftScout.com's board. While Barkley and Arkansas' Tyler Wilson were adjusting to inexperienced supporting casts, Smith started off the regular season just the way he'd begun 2012, by shredding defenses. Over a six-game stretch extending from last year's 70-33 demolishing of Clemson in the Orange Bowl to a rousing victory over Texas on Oct. 6, Smith was magnificent, tossing 31 touchdowns and zero interceptions and leading WVU to an undefeated record. Texas Tech provided the blueprint for shutting down the mighty West Virginia offense a week later, however, by pressuring Smith early and limiting the run-after-catch ability of Bailey and his teammate Tavon Austin. The Mountaineers would lose their next four games and, as it turns out, six of their final eight. The perception -- whether deserved or not -- will be that Smith failed to lead the Mountaineers to victories in six of their last games. The 2013 class of quarterbacks is lacking in the "sure things" of recent years. The tight rankings could force Smith to play in the Senior Bowl or another prominent all-star game to stabilize his stock. If he were to do so -- and wound up going No. 1 overall as Dane Brugler and I are currently projecting -- it would be the first time a quarterback who played in a senior all-star game was the first passer selected in his respective draft class since 2003. That year, talent evaluators got to watch then-USC star Carson Palmer erase any doubt that he was the top prospect with a spectacular week in Mobile, Ala., in the Senior Bowl. Regardless of whether Smith elects to play one last game with the Mountaineers' helmet or wait for the workout sessions from the Combine and/or his Pro Day, nervous NFL decision-makers are eager to see a quarterback -- any quarterback -- pull away in the race to April. __________________ [/SIGPIC]
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