***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

As far as Arizona, Banner hospitals are close to 100% capacity in their ICUs (last I read) and being urged to implement emergency procedures... one smaller hospital in Tuscon is down to its last ICU bed.

And you can have a skyscraper full of beds, but there's also staffing and supplies, etc. You won't overwhelm the beds.

The virus doesn't seem to care about whether people got bored at home or whatever parts-per-million stat that helps prop up agendas... or apparently 110 degree heat.

I guess you missed the part where he said the South is handling this bad. I guess you include Arizona in The South?

Because I've never heard of Arizona being part of the South.

But then again, I get your agenda

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

I guess you missed the part where he said the South is handling this bad. I guess you include Arizona in The South?

Because I've never heard of Arizona being part of the South.

But then again, I get your agenda

You in the PAC 12, you are out West.

[eDave]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

I guess you missed the part where he said the South is handling this bad. I guess you include Arizona in The South?

Because I've never heard of Arizona being part of the South.

But then again, I get your agenda

AZ gave as many ****s about this as the "south" and we are paying for it now.

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by eDave

AZ gave as many ****s about this as the "south" and we are paying for it now.

Except he sited it as a example. Again Texas has maintained 1800 people for months in hospital and only recently did it "Spike" to 2200. Given there are 28,000 hospital beds I'd say we are fine.

Considering we opened over a month ago, it was to be expected. Even with all that we have far fewer deaths, and far fewer people dying every day in Texas as compared to many other places.

Go figure.

[lewdog]

Originally Posted by eDave

AZ gave as many ****s about this as the "south" and we are paying for it now.

I told all you dumb ****s last month but no one cared to listen.

[lewdog]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

Except he sited it as a example. Again Texas has maintained 1800 people for months in hospital and only recently did it "Spike" to 2200. Given there are 28,000 hospital beds I'd say we are fine.

Considering we opened over a month ago, it was to be expected. Even with all that we have far fewer deaths, and far fewer people dying every day in Texas as compared to many other places.

Go figure.

Provide a source on this on hospital bed capacity?

Hospital beds vs ICU beds are 2 different animals. One takes far more equipment and staff. I can tell you in AZ it’s staffing and equipment that will soon be short. Having surge beds only works with appropriately trained staff and the correct equipment. Not every nurse is equipped to be an ICU nurse. Those nurses are being run ragged here and the care for ICU patients will suffer.

[Shiver Me Timbers]

More testing= more cases.
The "hospitalization" numbers are suspect. Same reason as 2 months ago.

Maybe we should start "we are all going to die thread"

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by lewdog

Provide a source on this on hospital bed capacity?

Hospital beds vs ICU beds are 2 different animals. One takes far more equipment and staff. I can tell you in AZ it’s staffing and equipment that will soon be short. Having surge beds only works with appropriately trained staff and the correct equipment. Not every nurse is equipped to be an ICU nurse. Those nurses are being run ragged here and the care for ICU patients will suffer.

You're using common sense with people that obviously have none...

[PAChiefsGuy]

Originally Posted by Shiver Me Timbers

More testing= more cases.
The "hospitalization" numbers are suspect. Same reason as 2 months ago.

Maybe we should start "we are all going to die thread"

I have a better idea. How about 'No big deal over 100k died from CoronaVirus' thread instead.

[SAUTO]

LOOKS to me like on 4-3-20 texas had 2107 ICU beds available statewide, unless i read this wrong.
https://gov.texas.gov/uploads/files/...NAL_4.3.20.pdf

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Shiver Me Timbers

The "hospitalization" numbers are suspect. Same reason as 2 months ago.

What reason is there to suspect the hospitalization numbers?

[SAUTO]

looks like dallas had over 70% of their ICU bed capacity taken up as recently as a couple weeks ago, cant find anything more current...

[TLO]

Originally Posted by TLO

I've read over this several times and I'm still not sure what they're talking about? I don't understand the statement above.

Even looking at the data I don't see what they're talking about. Someone break out the crayons and break it down for me.

Someone smart please explain this to me.

[Shiver Me Timbers]

Originally Posted by Donger

What reason is there to suspect the hospitalization numbers?

misrepresentation (lie) of why they were admitted.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by Donger

What reason is there to suspect the hospitalization numbers?

Because if you pretend it isn't real then it isn't.