***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[O.city]

Well, this thing is gonna burn thru fast with the way it's goin now. Hold on to your butts.

[lawrenceRaider]

Originally Posted by O.city

Well, this thing is gonna burn thru fast with the way it's goin now. Hold on to your butts.

Likely that nearly everyone will end up with it.

[Frosty]

Had our first live experience with a Covidiot last week.

My wife works at an elementary school so got her initial shots really early. She had been putting off the booster because she didn't want to deal with any side effects while busy with school and getting ready for Christmas. She finally decided the end of Christmas break was a good time to get it done so made an appointment Friday morning.

Unfortunately, Walmart is the only place locally that you can get in in a timely manner. She had gotten her shot and we were sitting in the little waiting area, waiting for her 15 minute wait to expire, when this older lady (with her mask under her chin) stopped her cart right in front of us and asked my wife "Are you waiting for your shot?"

My wife said "No, I just got it. I'm waiting the 15 minute wait they make you do".

The lady then said "On no. Whatever you do, don't get the second shot".

My wife, looking like a deer in the headlights, replied to that with "Ummm. Okay?"

The lady must have seen me rolling my eyes because she then said "Well, everyone has their beliefs, but you shouldn't get it" and then walked off.

I guess what's shocking to me is the hubris of someone thinking their Facebook Medical Degree is good enough to dispense medical advice to complete strangers. Did she think we were going to jump up and say "Thank you! You saved us!" or something? We thought she was a nut but if someone were really on the fence, something like that could push them to side of not getting vaxxed. Pretty irresponsible, imo.

My dad has some serious health issues (heart disease and T2 diabetes) and he's always ranting about the amount of unsolicited health advice he gets from people. It's the first time I've seen it in the wild, though (except for my boss' wife who blames every time I get sick on the Diet Pepsi I drink sometimes and not on the fact my wife works in a plague factory).

[lawrenceRaider]

Originally Posted by Frosty

It's the first time I've seen it in the wild, though (except for my boss' wife who blames every time I get sick on the Diet Pepsi I drink sometimes and not on the fact my wife works in a plague factory).

Well, diet soda is literally the devil. So . . .

[Iowanian]

I know a dozen people who have it right now and would tell you they just feel like they have a cold.

I got a message this morning that a good, life-long friend died of it last night. She's the first person I've known to die that wasn't old or battling another disease.

[notorious]

Originally Posted by WhawhaWhat

Got a COVID test this morning and tested negative but I've been sick as shit for the past 4 days. Chest congestion, cough, fever. A lot of the similar signs. I went ahead and bought one of those blood oxygen monitors you put on your finger just in case.

Good buy. You can use it for other things after Covid is gone.

I got ill Tuesday last week, and checked by B/O level (heh)every hour or so.

I'm normally at 99% o2 level, but I dropped to 92-93 for 3-4 days, and my heart rate was 100, which is really high for me.

Things like that you didn't used to have data on. If things would have turned we would have been able to tell the docs data like that to give them a little help.

[Frosty]

Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider

Well, diet soda is literally the devil. So . . .

I see you, too, have a Facebook PHD.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by Iowanian

I know a dozen people who have it right now and would tell you they just feel like they have a cold.

I got a message this morning that a good, life-long friend died of it last night. She's the first person I've known to die that wasn't old or battling another disease.

Very sorry to hear this. My condolences.

[loochy]

Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider

Well, diet soda is literally the devil. So . . .

Well it's not the devil, literally or figuratively.

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by loochy

Well it's not the devil, literally or figuratively.

How about metaphorically?

[ghak99]

Originally Posted by Frosty

Had our first live experience with a Covidiot last week.

My wife works at an elementary school so got her initial shots really early. She had been putting off the booster because she didn't want to deal with any side effects while busy with school and getting ready for Christmas. She finally decided the end of Christmas break was a good time to get it done so made an appointment Friday morning.

Unfortunately, Walmart is the only place locally that you can get in in a timely manner. She had gotten her shot and we were sitting in the little waiting area, waiting for her 15 minute wait to expire, when this older lady (with her mask under her chin) stopped her cart right in front of us and asked my wife "Are you waiting for your shot?"

My wife said "No, I just got it. I'm waiting the 15 minute wait they make you do".

The lady then said "On no. Whatever you do, don't get the second shot".

My wife, looking like a deer in the headlights, replied to that with "Ummm. Okay?"

The lady must have seen me rolling my eyes because she then said "Well, everyone has their beliefs, but you shouldn't get it" and then walked off.

I guess what's shocking to me is the hubris of someone thinking their Facebook Medical Degree is good enough to dispense medical advice to complete strangers. Did she think we were going to jump up and say "Thank you! You saved us!" or something? We thought she was a nut but if someone were really on the fence, something like that could push them to side of not getting vaxxed. Pretty irresponsible, imo.

My dad has some serious health issues (heart disease and T2 diabetes) and he's always ranting about the amount of unsolicited health advice he gets from people. It's the first time I've seen it in the wild, though (except for my boss' wife who blames every time I get sick on the Diet Pepsi I drink sometimes and not on the fact my wife works in a plague factory).

The old ladies here will tell you the same but it's not because they were skeptical of the science, it's because the second shot made them feel like the casket was coming. None of my grandmother's peers are getting a booster of any kind. It's not just a no, its a hell no.

Watching a bunch of nearly 90 year old women go from "I want you to go get the shot, you have a lot to live for" to "**** that thing, it almost killed me, I'll just risk death" has been hilarious.

[Frosty]

Originally Posted by ghak99

The old ladies here will tell you the same but it's not because they were skeptical of the science, it's because the second shot made them feel like the casket was coming. None of my grandmother's peers are getting a booster of any kind. It's not just a no, its a hell no.

Watching a bunch of nearly 90 year old women go from "I want you to go get the shot, you have a lot to live for" to "**** that thing, it almost killed me, I'll just risk death" has been hilarious.

Eh, if she had said "the second shot made me feel like death warmed over, you might reconsider it", it wouldn't have bothered me. The "different beliefs" comment makes me pretty sure she is just antivax. Pretty common around here but don't want to get political so will just leave it there.

My wife had zero reaction to the first two Moderna shots but the booster kind of knocked her on her butt for a day and half. Achy and had a fever (up to 102°). She was totally fine by Sunday though.

[TLO]

I'm getting my 6th booster today so I can keep my neutralizing antibodies at their peak!!! LFG!!!!1!!!1

[loochy]

Originally Posted by TLO

I'm getting my 6th booster today so I can keep my neutralizing antibodies at their peak!!! LFG!!!!1!!!1

Boost! Boost-a-loost!

[TLO]

Wow. Those case counts..