***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[TLO]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

Wish you hadn't brought this in here

Ope

[Pants]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

Wish you hadn't brought this in here

Is the hospital refuting her statements as lies?

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by Pants

Is the hospital refuting her statements as lies?

So far as I can tell, what I posted was in English. . .

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by DaFace

You seem to be forming a habit of projecting your insecurities on me.

You would be wrong, there is no projection or insecurity on my part... I'm quite comfortable with where my intelligence stands among my age group

[Pants]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

So far as I can tell, what I posted was in English. . .

To me, it reads like they don't condone what she is saying. They made no judgement on whether or not her statements were true.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Pants

What that study doesn't show is how many people who were wearing masks were exposed to the virus and did NOT get infected. Nobody is claiming that masks work 100% of the time.



In how many fatal car accidents were the victims wearing a seatbelt? It's not a good metric because it doesn't take into account the other accidents where the seatbelt prevented a death.

That all sounds great! Except the fact is more people are wearing masks than ever before and yet we have more cases of Covid than ever before.

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[petegz28]

Originally Posted by prhom

It's a privilege because the exercise of that privilege requires a certain competency to be done in a manner that doesn't cause undue harm to others. My point is that one person's freedom and rights stop when the exercise of that freedom restricts the freedom of another. For example, it doesn't bother me if someone not wearing a mask gets COVID and they are fine with it. Great for them. It does bother me when someone refuses to wear a mask when it might help reduce the spread of something that might kill someone with the right risk factors.



When the impact of a choice goes beyond impacts to your own person, it's not a matter of personal freedom anymore.

Great. Doesn't change the fact driving is a privilege and not a right but good job...or something.

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[DaFace]

Originally Posted by Easy 6

You would be wrong, there is no projection or insecurity on my part... I'm quite comfortable with where my intelligence stands among my age group

Well, I suppose I would request that, in the future, you take at least a few seconds to consider whether you have understood the data being presented before acting like an ass when you don't.

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by DaFace

Well, I suppose I would request that, in the future, you take at least a few seconds to consider whether you have understood the data being presented before acting like an ass when you don't.

But I didn't act like an ass

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by Pants

To me, it reads like they don't condone what she is saying. They made no judgement on whether or not her statements were true.

Leaving aside why you asked me what they said now that we've established you can read it, since you brought me into it I'd also point out that they disclaimed her as an employee and that there might be why they took the stance of not condoning her statements without expounding detail or rationale.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

Leaving aside why you asked me what they said now that we've established you can read it, since you brought me into it I'd also point out that they disclaimed her as an employee and that there might be why they took the stance of not condoning her statements without expounding detail or rationale.

She didn't claim to be a direct employee.

[Discuss Thrower]

Disinformation is good when it supports my narrative!

[R Clark]

Good god how much sense does it take to know if you cover your mouth it’s going to cut down on what’s coming out ? Then simply reverse and it has to stop some of what’s coming in. Very few things are 100 percent in this world , wearing a mask just helps the odds just as washing your hands. Hell your mother taught you to cover your mouth when you cough when you were a kid so you wouldn’t spray shit all over people

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Disinformation is good when it supports my narrative!

I'm increasingly curious their investment in the veracity of every detail of that narrative.

I mean, she could have gotten just as strong a message across with a more transparent, dispassionate and complete accounting, but the specific way she framed it seems to resonate with a certain sector.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

I'm increasingly curious their investment in the veracity of every detail of that narrative.

I mean, she could have gotten just as strong a message across with a more transparent, dispassionate and complete accounting, but the specific way she framed it seems to resonate with a certain sector.

Oh I'm sure it resonates with a certain demographic. For sure.