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Old 09-26-2013, 06:07 AM  
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Chiefs' offense: "one of the worst in the league, by nearly every measure"
http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2013/9...chiefs-offense

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The Chiefs are actually 12th in the league in PPG, at 23.7. But if you take away the 14 points the defense is directly responsible for, that number drops to 19 PPG, which would be tied for 23rd - with the Raiders. The Chiefs are relying on the defense to score points, which isn't good. Defensive scoring is random and shouldn't be part of the game plan. They didn't need Tamba Hali's pick-6 to beat the Jaguars, but they did need Eric Berry's against the Eagles.

They also are just not moving the ball; their 333 yds/gm is 21st in the league and their 4.9 yds/play ranks 25th. "Well Kyle," you may ask, " if the Chiefs offense is so bad, how are they undefeated this year?" That's an excellent question, thank you for asking. The answer is that the defense and special teams are much, much better than we thought.
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The problem the Chiefs are having is getting to the Red Zone in the first place. They're 30th in yards per drive, with only Tampa Bay and Jacksonville behind them, and Cleveland directly in front of them (not good company to be in). This is a really, really bad offense. But here's the real kicker: the Chiefs' offense has the best starting field position in the NFL this year, and still can't score.
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The Chiefs average 17 yards per drive better field position than their opponents (ok, ok, 16.95), the best mark in the NFL (2nd table). Only two other teams average more than 10 yards better starting field position than their opponents (New England and Chicago). The Chiefs' average starting line of scrimmage (LOS) is their own 36.97 yard line (best in the NFL), while their opponents average starting LOS is their own 20.02 yard line (also best in the NFL). What all of that means is the Chiefs's offense is handed consistently great starting field position and can't do anything with it, then they let the special teams pin opponents deep in their own territory. The defense bails out the offense by not letting opponents move the ball, giving the offense the ball back with great starting field position. Lather, rinse, repeat.
There's a nice breakdown of our defense against philly over there as well:
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/9/2...p-kelly-eagles

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I have to reiterate and emphasize just how much the Chiefs played man to man -- like a ton of it. And they have the secondary to handle it, unlike most teams in the NFL. Specifically, they matched up Sean Smith on Cooper a lot on the outside. If this had been a prize fight, Cooper's corner would have thrown in the towel somewhere around the middle of the second quarter. Smith owned him right up until the end of the game when he started cramping up. Cooper just couldn't shake him, especially on those aforementioned deep routes Kelly had him running all game.
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Old 09-26-2013, 08:27 PM   #1006
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Well, "playoff runs" meaning 3 one and done post seasons (113 yards, 161, 169), the first SB run (two games of 250+), and the 2nd SB (277, 330, 316, 296).... so yeah, none of that is incredibly surprising.

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I have completely given up on Alex Smith as a qb. Its painful to watch. Like, worse than watching Colt McCoy.
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Old 09-26-2013, 08:28 PM   #1007
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IIRC, when he won his SB, they had like, their whole defense on IR.
That was not a bad defense by any means.
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Old 09-26-2013, 08:29 PM   #1008
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Who cares about any of this shit. Offense is still a work in progrees but we are winning in other ways. They will get better but forget about chunks of yards from long bombs. It ain't happening.
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Old 09-26-2013, 08:29 PM   #1009
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SEASON	TEAM	GP	CMP	ATT	CMP%	YDS	AVG	TD	LNG	INT	FUM	QBR	RAT
2009	    GB	1	28	42	66.7	423	10.07	4	44	1	1	69.7	121.4
2010	    GB	4	90	132	68.2	1,094	8.29	9	38	2	1	70.7	109.8
2011	    GB	1	26	46	56.5	264	5.74	2	21	1	1	87.1	78.5
2012	    GB	2	49	72	68.1	531	7.38	3	44	1	0	74.7	97.6
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Old 09-26-2013, 08:30 PM   #1010
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That was not a bad defense by any means.
I'm pretty sure it was one of the worst in the league, but thats just going off memory and one thats not very good right now.
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Old 09-26-2013, 08:30 PM   #1011
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While thats true, he also has the ability to carry a bad defense to a championship. Eli, Big Ben, Flacco, etc can't do that.
And how much of that is because Green Bay almost never runs the ball in the playoffs? Would the Packers' defense be that bad if the offense kept them off the field and set that defense up with fresh legs in the 4th? And if Rodgers did tone down the explosiveness (which likely means he would have to compete in more closer 4th quarter games), does he have the chops to consistently deliver in the 4th.

Rodgers has actually been an extremely mediocre 4th quarter player. I think that's a big assumption to think that Rodgers could do the same things Big Ben or Eli did with those same teams. I know the word "game manager" comes up a lot. I prefer the word "efficient." Big Ben, Eli, and Flacco last year aren't explosive in the playoffs, but they are incredibly efficient.
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Old 09-26-2013, 08:30 PM   #1012
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Old 09-26-2013, 08:31 PM   #1013
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I'm pretty sure it was one of the worst in the league, but thats just going off memory and one thats not very good right now.
Your memory sucks.
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Old 09-26-2013, 08:32 PM   #1014
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SEASON	TEAM	GP	CMP	ATT	CMP%	YDS	AVG	TD	LNG	INT	FUM	QBR	RAT
2009	    GB	1	28	42	66.7	423	10.07	4	44	1	1	69.7	121.4
2010	    GB	4	90	132	68.2	1,094	8.29	9	38	2	1	70.7	109.8
2011	    GB	1	26	46	56.5	264	5.74	2	21	1	1	87.1	78.5
2012	    GB	2	49	72	68.1	531	7.38	3	44	1	0	74.7	97.6


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Whoops.
What's the "whoops"? What's his playoff record outside of one Super Bowl run? It's pretty lousy.
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If only Rodgers was as good as Alex.
Yeah, because that's the argument. Nobody would take Smith over Rodgers in a million years.

I think it's an extremely interesting question to ask if you'd rather take Big Ben or Eli vs. Aaron Rodgers or Drew Brees. I would take Ben or Eli. I don't care if efficiency is unsexy.
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Meh, give me Brees or Rodgers. I'll take my chances.
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Homers: Aaron Rodgers sucks in the playoffs despite that 1 Super Bowl run, but Alex Smith is TEH AWESOME FOR WINNING ONE PLAYOFF GAMEMMEMEMEMEMEE
Yeah, thats what everyone is saying here.


Stop making shit up.
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No one: Aaron Rodgers sucks in the playoffs despite that 1 Super Bowl run, but Alex Smith is TEH AWESOME FOR WINNING ONE PLAYOFF GAMEMMEMEMEMEMEE
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