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Old 09-26-2013, 06:07 AM  
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Chiefs' offense: "one of the worst in the league, by nearly every measure"
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The Chiefs are actually 12th in the league in PPG, at 23.7. But if you take away the 14 points the defense is directly responsible for, that number drops to 19 PPG, which would be tied for 23rd - with the Raiders. The Chiefs are relying on the defense to score points, which isn't good. Defensive scoring is random and shouldn't be part of the game plan. They didn't need Tamba Hali's pick-6 to beat the Jaguars, but they did need Eric Berry's against the Eagles.

They also are just not moving the ball; their 333 yds/gm is 21st in the league and their 4.9 yds/play ranks 25th. "Well Kyle," you may ask, " if the Chiefs offense is so bad, how are they undefeated this year?" That's an excellent question, thank you for asking. The answer is that the defense and special teams are much, much better than we thought.
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The problem the Chiefs are having is getting to the Red Zone in the first place. They're 30th in yards per drive, with only Tampa Bay and Jacksonville behind them, and Cleveland directly in front of them (not good company to be in). This is a really, really bad offense. But here's the real kicker: the Chiefs' offense has the best starting field position in the NFL this year, and still can't score.
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The Chiefs average 17 yards per drive better field position than their opponents (ok, ok, 16.95), the best mark in the NFL (2nd table). Only two other teams average more than 10 yards better starting field position than their opponents (New England and Chicago). The Chiefs' average starting line of scrimmage (LOS) is their own 36.97 yard line (best in the NFL), while their opponents average starting LOS is their own 20.02 yard line (also best in the NFL). What all of that means is the Chiefs's offense is handed consistently great starting field position and can't do anything with it, then they let the special teams pin opponents deep in their own territory. The defense bails out the offense by not letting opponents move the ball, giving the offense the ball back with great starting field position. Lather, rinse, repeat.
There's a nice breakdown of our defense against philly over there as well:
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/9/2...p-kelly-eagles

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I have to reiterate and emphasize just how much the Chiefs played man to man -- like a ton of it. And they have the secondary to handle it, unlike most teams in the NFL. Specifically, they matched up Sean Smith on Cooper a lot on the outside. If this had been a prize fight, Cooper's corner would have thrown in the towel somewhere around the middle of the second quarter. Smith owned him right up until the end of the game when he started cramping up. Cooper just couldn't shake him, especially on those aforementioned deep routes Kelly had him running all game.
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Old 09-27-2013, 05:49 AM   #1096
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I am a life long NYG fan, you are so full of shit. the NYG had a serviceable OL, they had 17 rushing TD's that season and Cruz became a star. They were sixth in the NFL for rushing TD's you idiot and their leading rusher was a 5'11" 195lbs RB.
Statistically their pass protection was terrible.

Only the bears consistently allowed more pressure.
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Old 09-27-2013, 05:52 AM   #1097
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Statistically their pass protection was terrible.

Only the bears consistently allowed more pressure.
Eli has a tendency to hold on while the play develops. Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't, sometimes it morphs into another play and sometimes he gets sacked. That OL was no world beater, but turrible they were not.
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Old 09-27-2013, 06:09 AM   #1098
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This.

Aaaaaaaaaaaand of course:



Mother****er; we're NOT hearing any bullshit about this ****ing line ANYMORE.

YOU AND ANYONE SPOUTING THIS BULLSHIT WILL CEASE AND DESIST NOW.

ENOUGH, GODDAMNIT.
Man, I'm solid in the get a difference maker at QB but anyone that thinks there are no problems with our line right now is delusional.
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Old 09-27-2013, 06:11 AM   #1099
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Eli has a tendency to hold on while the play develops. Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't, sometimes it morphs into another play and sometimes he gets sacked. That OL was no world beater, but turrible they were not.
All one had to do was count. Eli is great under pressure, which was good because he often had guys chasing him around in 2 or 3 seconds.

It's been like that most of his career.

The best OL he played with was Kareem, and he's not a great pass blocker. Outstanding run blocker though.
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Old 09-27-2013, 06:14 AM   #1100
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Man, I'm solid in the get a difference maker at QB but anyone that thinks there are no problems with our line right now is delusional.
RoR isn't delusional.

He's an idiot.
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Old 09-27-2013, 06:26 AM   #1101
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Honestly? I guess you missed the second quarter when Andy was yelling at Alex during the Thursday broadcast don't go all True Fan on me ( like many did during their support of Cassel.) During Cassel era the general consensus have said, including myself you must have a legitimate Franchise QB to win through the postseason and going to the playoffs.
Many of the names you listed were not putting up eye-popping stats on these SB runs. And I guess you are the only person that saw this volatile exchange from Reid to Smith? Reid yelled at Charles.. remember that for sure.. so should we believe that Charles' job is in jeopardy or that he is teh suxxorz?

This whole label of Franchise QB is obscure and subjective crap.
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Old 09-27-2013, 06:39 AM   #1102
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Man, I'm solid in the get a difference maker at QB but anyone that thinks there are no problems with our line right now is delusional.
It's been particularly bad at times this season, but I'm sure the frustration stems from it always being an excuse, which is probably one reason some fans are ok with taking tackles in the first round.

Oh, Cassel was sacked 4 times? It can't be his awful pocket awareness and complete inability to make a decision in less than 5 seconds that doesn't involve the fetal position!? After all, look at what Aaron Rodgers does... his offensive line is awesome! MOAR LINEMEN!

Seriously though, it's been pretty bad this year...
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Old 09-27-2013, 06:43 AM   #1103
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This whole label of Franchise QB is obscure and subjective crap.
I certainly agree with this.
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Old 09-27-2013, 07:10 AM   #1104
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Shameless self-quote. It seems like Alex has 0 trust in his receivers because of this. How many times have we seen him roll out, throw to Bowe on the sideline, and then have the ball dropped? It seems like after a receiver drops a ball or two he refuses to go to them afterward. As good as Charles has been he's also has had his fair share of mind-numbing drops on easy catches.
How many times have we seen that? None, really. Bowe is credited with either 1 or 0 drops, depending on the stat source.

Charles has been credited with 3.

IT'S ALL JAMAAL'S FAULT - WE NEED TO GET ALEX SMITH A BETTER RB FOR HIM TO BE GOOD!
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It's been particularly bad at times this season, but I'm sure the frustration stems from it always being an excuse, which is probably one reason some fans are ok with taking tackles in the first round.

Oh, Cassel was sacked 4 times? It can't be his awful pocket awareness and complete inability to make a decision in less than 5 seconds that doesn't involve the fetal position!? After all, look at what Aaron Rodgers does... his offensive line is awesome! MOAR LINEMEN!

Seriously though, it's been pretty bad this year...
It's funny though. Any discussion about every QB but your own? and here flows the "legit reasons" for why it is this or that. Your own QB? "oh, it's nothing but excuses!"

Hypocrisy at its finest.
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This whole label of Franchise QB is obscure and subjective crap.
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Fans of teams that don't have a franchise QB.
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NO Vermeil did that.

The Vermeil years were some of the most frustrating years of Chiefs football, but my God were they were fun. Every offensive play had the potential to score regardless of where they were at on the field.
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Fans of teams that don't have a franchise QB.
is that also signed by the NYG fans that have QBs like Eli Manning, who is putting up a 53.3 and 49.0 passer rating lately? or Matt Stafford's delightful record of 1-23 against above opponents with a winning record? RG3 is sure taking the world by storm... Big Ben is doing wonderful things for Pitt right now.. Flacco has just been amazing with his 80 passer rating.
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is that also signed by the NYG fans that have QBs like Eli Manning, who is putting up a 53.3 and 49.0 passer rating lately? or Matt Stafford's delightful record of 1-23 against above opponents with a winning record? RG3 is sure taking the world by storm... Big Ben is doing wonderful things for Pitt right now.. Flacco has just been amazing with his 80 passer rating.
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is that also signed by the NYG fans that have QBs like Eli Manning, who is putting up a 53.3 and 49.0 passer rating lately? or Matt Stafford's delightful record of 1-23 against above opponents with a winning record? RG3 is sure taking the world by storm... Big Ben is doing wonderful things for Pitt right now.. Flacco has just been amazing with his 80 passer rating.
3 of those 5 guys you listed account for 5 recent SuperBowls.

You're a brilliant guy, eh?
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