Junior Seau dead, probable suicide

Originally Posted by frazod

I understand where you're coming from (and you are consistent on this issue) and I agree with you to a certain extent. The problem is you're being very callous about a sensitive subject. It's going to rub some people the wrong way.

I get that and I'm okay with it. I do it intentionally. I'm an assertive person and I make my position known to everybody in my circle. Off yourself and I'll grieve for your family but if you didn't care enough about them to consider their feelings then why should I care after you've done it? It's not okay to kill yourself, people. You'll feel better but if you're leaving children behind you're maiming them for life. I have more patience for the idiot who ate his toddlers eyes in a drugged up haze.

[wazu]

Originally Posted by Phobia

I get that and I'm okay with it. I do it intentionally. I'm an assertive person and I make my position known to everybody in my circle. Off yourself and I'll grieve for your family but if you didn't care enough about them to consider their feelings then why should I care after you've done it? It's not okay to kill yourself, people. You'll feel better but if you're leaving children behind you're maiming them for life. I have more patience for the idiot who ate his toddlers eyes in a drugged up haze.

WHAT. THE. ****?!!! And **** that. I'd rather be in therapy than blind.

[alnorth]

Originally Posted by wazu

WHAT. THE. ****?!!! And **** that. I'd rather be in therapy than blind.

well, in that case its a lot more clear and unambiguous that the guy is probably crazy and not selfish (though evil psychopath would be a possibility)

[Frazod]

Originally Posted by Phobia

I get that and I'm okay with it. I do it intentionally. I'm an assertive person and I make my position known to everybody in my circle. Off yourself and I'll grieve for your family but if you didn't care enough about them to consider their feelings then why should I care after you've done it? It's not okay to kill yourself, people. You'll feel better but if you're leaving children behind you're maiming them for life. I have more patience for the idiot who ate his toddlers eyes in a drugged up haze.

I know, and at the end of the day, you're right. Although the flip side of that is sometimes these people are irreparably damaged, ****ed up everybody who cared about them when they were alive, and the survivors are better off without them.

Originally Posted by frazod

I know, and at the end of the day, you're right. Although the flip side of that is sometimes these people are irreparably damaged, ****ed up everybody who cared about them when they were alive, and the survivors are better off without them.

Yeah but driving off a cliff or into a tree at 110 at least leaves some room to rationalize an accident in their minds, ya know?

[themanwithnoname]

Originally Posted by Phobia

I get that and I'm okay with it. I do it intentionally. I'm an assertive person and I make my position known to everybody in my circle. Off yourself and I'll grieve for your family but if you didn't care enough about them to consider their feelings then why should I care after you've done it? It's not okay to kill yourself, people. You'll feel better but if you're leaving children behind you're maiming them for life. I have more patience for the idiot who ate his toddlers eyes in a drugged up haze.

You won't feel anything because you'll be dead.

Its not for you to say if its okay. Its outright idiocy to treat all suicides as the same as they are not. I've never understood the people condemning suicide because its selfish and to think of the family/friends. How is it not every bit as selfish to feel that people should give up their free will just because you care about them? There are some that I would absolutely agree are selfish (for instance taking others with you or making someone else kill you for instance), and yes, I'd say its pretty selfish if you leave behind people that depend on you (like kids) but I definitely would not make absolutes and condemn everyone.

The last part is just ridiculous absurdity. Clearly killing himself would have maimed his kid more. I don't even know why you said patience, but whatever.

[alnorth]

Originally Posted by themanwithnoname

You won't feel anything because you'll be dead.

Its not for you to say if its okay. Its outright idiocy to treat all suicides as the same as they are not. I've never understood the people condemning suicide because its selfish and to think of the family/friends. How is it not every bit as selfish to feel that people should give up their free will just because you care about them? There are some that I would absolutely agree are selfish (for instance taking others with you or making someone else kill you for instance), and yes, I'd say its pretty selfish if you leave behind people that depend on you (like kids) but I definitely would not make absolutes and condemn everyone.

The last part is just ridiculous absurdity. Clearly killing himself would have maimed his kid more. I don't even know why you said patience, but whatever.

Of course its fine for us to say its not OK. If they are not a member of the Chiefs Planet message board or never read this thread, then whatever, but for those who do: you'd better be crazy or dying. If not, then know that when you go, that you are damaging your family more than you can ever imagine, and that many of those who survive you WILL NOT REMEMBER YOU FONDLY, at all.

A lot of people in their depression have a stupid fantasy of how things will go when they kill themselves, and they need to be slapped with the truth. You'll hurt people you didn't want to hurt, and people who like you now, will dislike you later and will speak ill of you when your name is brought up.

Originally Posted by themanwithnoname

You won't feel anything because you'll be dead.

Its not for you to say if its okay. Its outright idiocy to treat all suicides as the same as they are not. I've never understood the people condemning suicide because its selfish and to think of the family/friends. How is it not every bit as selfish to feel that people should give up their free will just because you care about them? There are some that I would absolutely agree are selfish (for instance taking others with you or making someone else kill you for instance), and yes, I'd say its pretty selfish if you leave behind people that depend on you (like kids) but I definitely would not make absolutes and condemn everyone.

The last part is just ridiculous absurdity. Clearly killing himself would have maimed his kid more. I don't even know why you said patience, but whatever.

I'm speaking for myself and my own opinion, not passing judgment on every person who has ever committed suicide. My opinion doesn't amount for much but if it helps anybody in my circle think about their family during thoughts of suicide then it's worth enduring a little ridicule.

[Fairplay]

Well. i fought depression for a few years. The last couple years or so i read or listen to the bible through Podcast apps and don't touch anti-depressants anymore. I think that has really helped me a lot.

I never had suicidal thoughts at all i must add.

[Rasputin]

Originally Posted by Fairplay

Well. i fought depression for a few years. The last couple years or so i read or listen to the bible through Podcast apps and don't touch anti-depressants anymore. I think that has really helped me a lot.

I never had suicidal thoughts at all i must add.

Anti-depressants can be killers. I think doctors can play God with peoples lives when the prescribe them. Much of them have worse side effects than if not taking them and confonting the demons themselves wich is what haunts or is what makes people want to kill themselves in the first place.

[crazycoffey]

Originally Posted by themanwithnoname

You won't feel anything because you'll be dead.

Its not for you to say if its okay. Its outright idiocy to treat all suicides as the same as they are not. I've never understood the people condemning suicide because its selfish and to think of the family/friends. How is it not every bit as selfish to feel that people should give up their free will just because you care about them? There are some that I would absolutely agree are selfish (for instance taking others with you or making someone else kill you for instance), and yes, I'd say its pretty selfish if you leave behind people that depend on you (like kids) but I definitely would not make absolutes and condemn everyone.

The last part is just ridiculous absurdity. Clearly killing himself would have maimed his kid more. I don't even know why you said patience, but whatever.

Because you just don't understand what he's saying. End of story.