***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[ModSocks]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

curious, you think the citizens of Montana will coroperate more or less with the order than those in Cali or NY?

What exactly is there to cooperate with?

Unless Montana starts closing down public parks and trails, life will proceed as normal for most.

IDK where you are BRC, but here in San Diego, at least for me, life doesn't seem much different. We can't go to the beach or to public parks as of a few days ago.

But beyond that there's very little changed unless you're a bar-hoping socialite.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

Imperial College scientist who predicted 500K coronavirus deaths in UK revises to 20K or fewer https://t.co/V5bp18WObY #data #science

— Jason Scott Arnold (@jasonsarnold) March 26, 2020

I saw this earlier but WOW that's a big drop in numbers.

How many people die in an average flu season in the UK?

[TLO]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

What exactly is there to cooperate with?

Unless Montana starts closing down public parks and trails, life will proceed as normal for most.

IDK where you are BRC, but here in San Diego, at least for me, life doesn't seem much different. We can't go to the beach or to public parks as of a few days ago.

But beyond that there's very little changed unless you're a bar-hoping socialite.

That's kind of how it is here in the Midwest too. I observe people practicing social distancing, but there are still people out waking, sitting at the parks, going to grocery stores, etc.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by TLO

I saw this earlier but WOW that's a big drop in numbers.

How many people die in an average flu season in the UK?

Random googily moogily search says 17k on average.

https://fullfact.org/health/coronavi...are-influenza/

[oaklandhater]

This shows the location data of phones that were on a Florida beach during Spring Break. It then shows where those phones traveled.

First thing you should note is the importance of social distancing. The second is how much data your phone gives off. pic.twitter.com/iokUX3qjeB

— Mikael Thalen (@MikaelThalen) March 26, 2020

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by TLO

That's kind of how it is here in the Midwest too. I observe people practicing social distancing, but there are still people out waking, sitting at the parks, going to grocery stores, etc.

Really, that's how it should be. All of these measures are mainly meant to prevent people from being in situations where they can possibly infect (or be infected by) large numbers of people. That means:

-Concerts and similar performances
-Big, public gatherings
-Large offices

Beyond that? You're pretty unlikely to infect people you're just walking past in the park or at the grocery store.

[Bob Dole]

Originally Posted by oaklandhater

Top CDC official warns New York's coronavirus outbreak is just a preview

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcar...reak-is-just-a

Along with hard-hit New York, with some 30,000 confirmed cases, the epidemic is spreading more broadly. New Jersey has reported more than 4,400 cases. California, Michigan and Washington have all confirmed more than 2,000 cases, and Florida, Georgia, Illinois, Massachusetts and Pennsylvania had all recorded more than 1,000 cases, according to state health laboratories compiled by The COVID Tracking Project, a group led by the journalist Alexis Madrigal.

Your glee is duly noted.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by DaFace

Random googily moogily search says 17k on average.

https://fullfact.org/health/coronavi...are-influenza/

[Bowser]

Originally Posted by oaklandhater

This shows the location data of phones that were on a Florida beach during Spring Break. It then shows where those phones traveled.

First thing you should note is the importance of social distancing. The second is how much data your phone gives off. pic.twitter.com/iokUX3qjeB

— Mikael Thalen (@MikaelThalen) March 26, 2020

That is both nuts and horrifying on a few different levels.

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by Bowser

That is both nuts and horrifying on a few different levels.

Just assume everyone has it at this point

[Bowser]

Originally Posted by Easy 6

Just assume everyone has it at this point

For real

[petegz28]

Beautiful day in KC area...get out and get some fresh air. Get some sun, or what's left of it for the day. Shitty weather coming back tomorrow so get out and let your body soak in some fresh air.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by Easy 6

Just assume everyone has it at this point

This is what social distancing is all about though. Stay away from large groups as much as possible. Keep ample distance from people you're around out in public (as much as you can). Wash your damn hands. If we all do this I'm hopeful we won't see multiple blow ups around the country like New York.

[Mr. Plow]

Good. Another Donger question-a-thon.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Bowser

For real

I'm gonna tell you now, if they are right about this thing being much more contagious that the flu then you might not be far off. They estimate that almost 50 mil people get the flu each season so there you have it....

If this is that much more contagious then I would say yeah millions of people have it and aren't effected or are effected very mildly.