****Official Golf Thread****

['Hamas' Jenkins]

The original Bushwood thread is overflowing like Craig Stadler's FUPA.

Use this thread to discuss tournaments, swing thoughts, equipment, and golf deals.

I thought we could also use the OP to create a WITB for ChiefsPlanet members. I'll list a poster's name and put their sticks in a spoiler tag, so you can see what everyone is carrying.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

From what I've gathered, this is extremely rare for them not to have the wind blowing 15+ steadily. I know the three days I was there last June it blew 20 the whole time.

Personally, I could care less what the final score is. And apparently the course is hard enough - the three best players in the world all missed the cut badly.

A US open shouldn't have that many guys that far underpar. Par is supposed to be a good score at the US and some of these guys are running off 4 and 5 birdies in a row.

They keep trying to use length to make these things tough and that just doesn't work. Tech and mechanics are at a point that distance has been figured out. They need to bring back precision and accuracy being a premium, IMO.

[scho63]

Originally Posted by tk13

Dustin Johnson just put the ball 30 yards beyond the green on a 676 yard hole. In 2 shots.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

From what I've gathered, this is extremely rare for them not to have the wind blowing 15+ steadily. I know the three days I was there last June it blew 20 the whole time.

Personally, I could care less what the final score is. And apparently the course is hard enough - the three best players in the world all missed the cut badly.

I'm just tired of these Mike Davis US Fauxpens. You don't need any accuracy off the tee at a course like this, and these farmland courses are poor imitations of links setups that allow you to spin the hell out of the ball whenever you miss the green because every lie within 30 yards of the green is perfect.

I don't see how this challenges all aspects of a player's game. The fairways are wider than Augusta, and the greens are fast-ish but not devilish.

If the Open can be held on links, then the US Open can be held on parkland courses.

[tk13]

I didn't know what to expect coming into this week and I kind of still don't know what to expect. Scoring is definitely high for a US Open. I think the USGA played it conservative because they didn't know what to expect and they didn't want everyone complaining like the last couple years. I'd almost bet you that if they could do this again they'd set it up a bit harder. Maybe make sure the fairways were narrower. That said, for most of the top 10 players in the world, this has looked exactly like a US Open, if not harder. Jason Day was completely lost out there. This course got steamrolled by some relative unknowns and chewed up some of the best players in the world. Kind of a Jekyll/Hyde tourney.

I don't really have a problem with them trying different courses. I think the combination of this course, Chambers Bay, and moving the broadcast to FOX has been a lot for golf traditionalists to digest over the last few years. Unlike Chambers Bay though, it seems everyone likes this course, even the big names who got cut today all seemed very complimentary of it.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by O.city

A US open shouldn't have that many guys that far underpar. Par is supposed to be a good score at the US and some of these guys are running off 4 and 5 birdies in a row.

They keep trying to use length to make these things tough and that just doesn't work. Tech and mechanics are at a point that distance has been figured out. They need to bring back precision and accuracy being a premium, IMO.

Are they really that far under par though? Keep in mind this is a par 72, not 70 - so they are getting basically 2 strokes a round because of the extra Par 5's.

Had they moved up and played 1 and 15 as Par 4's, then scores would likely be in that -2/-3 range, and no one would be upset.

And to your final point, I would say that the guys leading are the guys who have been the most precise/accurate. They've stayed out of the bunkers/fescue for the most part, and are finding the right areas of these greens.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by tk13

I didn't know what to expect coming into this week and I kind of still don't know what to expect. Scoring is definitely high for a US Open. I think the USGA played it conservative because they didn't know what to expect and they didn't want everyone complaining like the last couple years. I'd almost bet you that if they could do this again they'd set it up a bit harder. Maybe make sure the fairways were narrower. That said, for most of the top 10 players in the world, this has looked exactly like a US Open, if not harder. Jason Day was completely lost out there. This course got steamrolled by some relative unknowns and chewed up some of the best players in the world. Kind of a Jekyll/Hyde tourney.

I don't really have a problem with them trying different courses. I think the combination of this course, Chambers Bay, and moving the broadcast to FOX has been a lot for golf traditionalists to digest over the last few years. Unlike Chambers Bay though, it seems everyone likes this course, even the big names who got cut today all seemed very complimentary of it.

Good post, TK.

[OnTheWarpath15]

They'll have plenty of time to correct their "mistakes" for next time, considering the Open has been awarded through like 2026 or something.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Are they really that far under par though? Keep in mind this is a par 72, not 70 - so they are getting basically 2 strokes a round because of the extra Par 5's.

Had they moved up and played 1 and 15 as Par 4's, then scores would likely be in that -2/-3 range, and no one would be upset.

And to your final point, I would say that the guys leading are the guys who have been the most precise/accurate. They've stayed out of the bunkers/fescue for the most part, and are finding the right areas of these greens.

Not really required to be that precise off the tee. It takes a real foul ball to hit it in the junk from what I can tell.

It's not really the number the guys are getting to, it's the abundance of them that are getting to it. When there are that many guys that far in the red, it's not a good test.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by tk13

I didn't know what to expect coming into this week and I kind of still don't know what to expect. Scoring is definitely high for a US Open. I think the USGA played it conservative because they didn't know what to expect and they didn't want everyone complaining like the last couple years. I'd almost bet you that if they could do this again they'd set it up a bit harder. Maybe make sure the fairways were narrower. That said, for most of the top 10 players in the world, this has looked exactly like a US Open, if not harder. Jason Day was completely lost out there. This course got steamrolled by some relative unknowns and chewed up some of the best players in the world. Kind of a Jekyll/Hyde tourney.

I don't really have a problem with them trying different courses. I think the combination of this course, Chambers Bay, and moving the broadcast to FOX has been a lot for golf traditionalists to digest over the last few years. Unlike Chambers Bay though, it seems everyone likes this course, even the big names who got cut today all seemed very complimentary of it.

When you look at the guys who didn't play well in teh top 10, it's wasn't necessarily the course (it's not an easy track to normal standards sure). They weren't exactly on track to play well coming in. Day has been all over the place for a while, DJ hasn't played much from the back injury and Rory hasn't played alot.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by O.city

Not really required to be that precise off the tee. It takes a real foul ball to hit it in the junk from what I can tell.

It's not really the number the guys are getting to, it's the abundance of them that are getting to it. When there are that many guys that far in the red, it's not a good test.

Yet a ton of guys are ending up there. The angles off the tee have a lot to do with it, IMO.

Even with it being wet, scores this morning are mostly over par. I think there are 24 guys on the course, and only a handful are under par.

[tk13]

Originally Posted by O.city

When you look at the guys who didn't play well in teh top 10, it's wasn't necessarily the course (it's not an easy track to normal standards sure). They weren't exactly on track to play well coming in. Day has been all over the place for a while, DJ hasn't played much from the back injury and Rory hasn't played alot.

Yeah I get that, but they still didn't play well on a course that's supposed to be playing "easy" and supposedly fit their game. And it wasn't just those three, 8 of the top 12 players didn't make the cut. That's about as bad as we've seen at a major. And some of the other top 20 guys like Spieth and Oosthuizen are all around par. It's just been a weird tournament. I don't know what to make of it.

I don't know if this is the place, but I still like that they're trying something different. The players seem to love the course too. Look at the next 10 years of Opens, literally over half of them are around NYC or California. Between 2003 and 2026, this will be the only Midwestern US Open.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Good read here...

http://www.friedegg.co/golf-courses/...rategic-design

[O.city]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Yet a ton of guys are ending up there. The angles off the tee have a lot to do with it, IMO.

Even with it being wet, scores this morning are mostly over par. I think there are 24 guys on the course, and only a handful are under par.

Sure you're gonna have guys hit it in there. It's there and guys misss shots.

As said, a lot of the defense the course has is dry and wind conditions. When it's wet and calm, it loses a lot of teeth.

Personally, it's just not the type of track I like for a US open. It's beautiful and has great sight lines but it's just not what I like for a US open. Give me southern hills or winged foot every day.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Good read here...

http://www.friedegg.co/golf-courses/...rategic-design

Interesting

[Prison Bitch]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Are they really that far under par though? Keep in mind this is a par 72, not 70 - so they are getting basically 2 strokes a round because of the extra Par 5's.

Had they moved up and played 1 and 15 as Par 4's, then scores would likely be in that -2/-3 range, and no one would be upset.

And to your final point, I would say that the guys leading are the guys who have been the most precise/accurate. They've stayed out of the bunkers/fescue for the most part, and are finding the right areas of these greens.

That's my point too - just eliminate 2 of the P5 and you have a 70 score to par. That shaves off 4 strokes for everyone thus far and makes it a US Open feel.

1 and 18 really don't have to be P5