***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[MahomesMagic]

Long-term symptoms (>12 weeks) after #Covid19 infection in children were found to be very uncommon (& not sig diff than prevalence in negative controls) in this new @JAMA_current study.

https://t.co/ZiLUDjqOYz

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by KCUnited

Bolded does not compute.

The likes of you refers to people insinuating others who have done their part should still carry masks in their pockets for reasons not back by anything substantial. If you can't see the undercutting of the very message you feel so strongly about then that is on you.

10 to 15 % of vaccinated people with Pfizer, Moderna are getting the Delta variant. 25 to 40% with the J&J are contracting the Delta variant.
Healthcare workers that have been vaccinated, Pfizer and Moderna, where I work are testing positive at about a 20% rate.
Having been vaccinated does not stop a person from contracting the virus. It does lower that risk, it mainly drops the severity of the virus.
I have already had it once in February of last year. I have permanent damage to my lungs. I do not want it again.

[TwistedChief]

A little wonkish but imo a spot-on read about what our covid-clouded future looks like:

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1...948903937.html

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by TwistedChief

A little wonkish but imo a spot-on read about what our covid-clouded future looks like:

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1...948903937.html

This may be accurate. The worst part is it might make people say **** it and just get Covid even though as it changes they will get it again and again. And it could break all of the sterilizing immunities that we could ever make.

[Kiimo]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

25 to 40% with the J&J are contracting the Delta variant.

where are you seeing that

[TLO]

Thought maybe our hospitalizations had hit their peak around here. Wrong.

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by Kiimosabi

where are you seeing that

The hospital I work at emails us and posts this type of information all around the hospital.

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[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by Kiimosabi

where are you seeing that

Did you look at CDC? They told everyone there that the J&J was only 66.3% effective.

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[Kiimo]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

Did you look at CDC? They told everyone there that the J&J was only 66.3% effective.

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It's a pretty big jump between "Did you look at CDC? They told everyone there that the J&J was only 66.3% effective."

and

"25 to 40% with the J&J are contracting the Delta variant."



As recently as yesterday they were reporting that J&J being particularly effective against the Delta Variant could create more demand for that vaccine

[NotDonger]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

10 to 15 % of vaccinated people with Pfizer, Moderna are getting the Delta variant. 25 to 40% with the J&J are contracting the Delta variant.
Healthcare workers that have been vaccinated, Pfizer and Moderna, where I work are testing positive at about a 20% rate.
Having been vaccinated does not stop a person from contracting the virus. It does lower that risk, it mainly drops the severity of the virus.
I have already had it once in February of last year. I have permanent damage to my lungs. I do not want it again.

I presume that you are saying that of the breakthrough cases, 10 to 15% of them have been vaccinated with the mRNA vaccines and 25 to 40% of them have been vaccinated with the J&J? But even if so, that still leaves considerable percentages unaccounted for.

If you are saying that 10 to 15% of the people fully vaccinated with the mRNA vaccines have become breakthrough cases (and 25 to 40% of the J&J), that can't be.

147,500,000 Americans have been fully vaccinated with the mRNA vaccines.

12,800,000 with J&J.

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by Kiimosabi

It's a pretty big jump between "Did you look at CDC? They told everyone there that the J&J was only 66.3% effective."

and

"25 to 40% with the J&J are contracting the Delta variant."



As recently as yesterday they were reporting that J&J being particularly effective against the Delta Variant could create more demand for that vaccine

Well 66.3% leaves 33.7%. So I don't know what to tell you other than that is right in the middle. I am guessing that is where the range comes from.

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[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by NotDonger

I presume that you are saying that of the breakthrough cases, 10 to 15% of them have been vaccinated with the mRNA vaccines and 25 to 40% of them have been vaccinated with the J&J? But even if so, that still leaves considerable percentages unaccounted for.



If you are saying that 10 to 15% of the people fully vaccinated with the mRNA vaccines have become breakthrough cases (and 25 to 40% of the J&J), that can't be.



147,500,000 Americans have been fully vaccinated with the mRNA vaccines.



12,800,000 with J&J.

I listed the particular vaccines with the corresponding numbers that are being shown.

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[Kiimo]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

Well 66.3% leaves 33.7%. So I don't know what to tell you other than that is right in the middle. I am guessing that is where the range comes from.

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What you are failing to read is the difference between J&J's effectiveness from their clinical trials vs the effectiveness with the Deltra Variant.


If you think 25 to 40% of people who got the J&J vaccine have contracted the Delta Variant you are woefully misunderstanding

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by Kiimosabi

What you are failing to read is the difference between J&J's effectiveness from their clinical trials vs the effectiveness with the Deltra Variant.


If you think 25 to 40% of people who got the J&J vaccine have contracted the Delta Variant you are woefully misunderstanding

I don't think you are understanding what I said or I didn't get the point across clearly enough.
Of the people that are getting Covid that have been vaccinated 25 to 40% of them have been vaccinated with the J&J.
That is almost a direct quote from the email that the hospital has sent out to all employees and medical staff.

[TwistedChief]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

I don't think you are understanding what I said or I didn't get the point across clearly enough.
Of the people that are getting Covid that have been vaccinated 25 to 40% of them have been vaccinated with the J&J.
That is almost a direct quote from the email that the hospital has sent out to all employees and medical staff.

Yes, that makes sense. What you said before did not.