Carlos Rogers NOT worth a first round pick (from the KC Star Board) - Page 3

royr17 · 01-08-2005, 06:23 AM

(Found this over at the KC Star Board, lets see what some of you guys have to say bout it and think.)

There are going to be at least 2 or 3 players that will still be on the board at 15 that should be taken before Rogers. If the Chiefs were to grab this kid, they need to upgrade our second round pick, maybe package it with another mid-round pick to get up to the 30-40 range.

Besides, our cornerback issue will more than likely be figured out with a free agent signing.

Dr. Johnny Fever · 01-08-2005, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by royr17

CB Pac-Man Jones, West Virginia

That's awesome!

Straight, No Chaser · 01-08-2005, 10:44 AM

I don't know how seriously you can trust some of the scouting descriptions of the cornerbacks the Chiefs may be interested in. It's kind of like reading descriptions of personal ads on the back page; it sounds good on paper but you'll only know for sure after a test drive. Internally, the Chiefs scouts will make their own private assessments and given the wants and needs of the team (Gunther, Al, and DV) they will rank these guys. At that point, none of these "soundbites" published by the so-called gurus will matter diddly squat. Translation: We need a cornerback that can excel in Gunther's scheme, preferrably cloned from either Deron Cherry, James Hasty or has the uncanny skills of a young Dale Carter.

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**alanm** · 01-08-2005, 11:27 AM

fuck the KC Star board. Those guys are bigger morons than we are.

Eleazar · 01-08-2005, 11:28 AM

Miller or Rogers plz~

philfree · 01-08-2005, 11:45 AM

With about 7 good CB prospects in the draft I'm wondering which one is gonna slip to our 2nd round pick. Browner maybe. This draft is deep in the one position that's been identified as a position of need on the worst pass D in the league. Depending what happens in free agency I wouldn't be oppossed to doubling up on CBs in the draft. IMO we'd be better off with 2 rookies over Barttee and McCleon.

PhilFree

Herzig · 01-08-2005, 11:47 AM

I would be so frikin happy if we drafted Rogers. I watched him play quite a bit since the Razorbacks are in the SEC. He's a stud...plus he plays against top-notch teams in the SEC. ONLY 18 receptions allowed

!! Jim Thorpe award winner...played great in the Sugar bowl. Plays through injuries. What's not to like?

**Skip Towne** · 01-08-2005, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by alanm

fuck the KC Star board. Those guys are bigger morons than we are.

Bigger morons than us? Damn, they must REALLY be stupid.

2bikemike · 01-08-2005, 11:59 AM

Man I can't believe this hasn't been posted yet.

Carlos Rodgers is no Rich Scanlon!

HolmeZz · 01-08-2005, 12:07 PM

Justin Miller is far from a top flight corner. If he hadn't made a name for him in the return game, he'd be a lot less known than he currently is.

Adam 'Pac-Man' Jones is an absolute ballhawk. He's only about 5'11, but he's got great speed and one of the best tacklers/hitters in the draft. I'd love to have him.

Carlos Rogers is a good corner, although I'd rather we not have to take him in the first round. He's got good height. He's a good hitter in the open field, but not a particularly good wrap-up tackler, which is what I think we need. I think he'll fair well at the next level.

Marlin Jackson's stock slid pretty far after this season. He's been switching between corner and safety for the last year or so, and does look confused out there. I'm not particularly high on him, although he has the potential to be good. He's apparently had off the field problems, which is something that doesn't sit well with CP.

Corey Webster had a weak senior campaign. He was a lock to be a top 3 corner back before the season, now that doesn't even look likely. He's got all the physical tools to be good, but he's still pretty raw at corner.

royr17 · 01-09-2005, 07:46 AM

htismaqe · 01-09-2005, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by HolmeZz

Justin Miller is far from a top flight corner. If he hadn't made a name for him in the return game, he'd be a lot less known than he currently is.

Adam 'Pac-Man' Jones is an absolute ballhawk. He's only about 5'11, but he's got great speed and one of the best tacklers/hitters in the draft. I'd love to have him.

Carlos Rogers is a good corner, although I'd rather we not have to take him in the first round. He's got good height. He's a good hitter in the open field, but not a particularly good wrap-up tackler, which is what I think we need. I think he'll fair well at the next level.

Marlin Jackson's stock slid pretty far after this season. He's been switching between corner and safety for the last year or so, and does look confused out there. I'm not particularly high on him, although he has the potential to be good. He's apparently had off the field problems, which is something that doesn't sit well with CP.

Corey Webster had a weak senior campaign. He was a lock to be a top 3 corner back before the season, now that doesn't even look likely. He's got all the physical tools to be good, but he's still pretty raw at corner.

None of these guys are "top-flight" CB's. Few are going from college to the NFL. But Miller has all of the tools to be one.

Rogers is solid. But the thing that makes me want Miller over Rogers is that Miller has the ability to be a game-breaker. Rogers is solid.

Marlin Jackson played S last year. He didn't split time at all this year, he played CB. He did have off-field problems. IIRC, he hit someone with a beer bottle.

And IMO Corey Webster=Julian Battle.

htismaqe · 01-09-2005, 08:34 AM

Oh, back to the original post:

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Besides, our cornerback issue will more than likely be figured out with a free agent signing.

"A" free agent signing. WRONG. We need more than 1 CB this offseason. And Gunther has already said he wants one from the draft and one from free agency.

royr17 · 01-09-2005, 08:39 AM

Sign a CB and Draft One ... and then draft a FS, QB, and a DE.

philfree · 01-09-2005, 09:12 AM

[QUOTE=htismaqe]None of these guys are "top-flight" CB's. Few are going from college to the NFL. But Miller has all of the tools to be one.

Rogers is solid. But the thing that makes me want Miller over Rogers is that Miller has the ability to be a game-breaker. Rogers is solid.

Marlin Jackson played S last year. He didn't split time at all this year, he played CB. He did have off-field problems. IIRC, he hit someone with a beer bottle.

And IMO Corey Webster=Julian Battle.[/QUOTE]

I'd have to disagree with the Battle/Webster comparison. I don't have Battles college pedigree but I don't think it is anything close to Websters. He had 7 ints in back to back seasons 25 pdus one of those years and had two ints this year. That's production at the CB position. I don't recall Battle having any thing close those numbers. Does any of the other CBs in the draft have numbers like that against that kind of competition? IMO he could be the guy that best fits what Gun wants in a CB better then any of the others.

PhilFree

**Manila-Chief** · 01-09-2005, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by royr17

Sign a CB and Draft One ... and then draft a FS, QB, and a DE.

No LB?

Why draft a QB? Wouldn't that be just wasting a pick? Especially if we draft one late in the draft? We need a QBOF and not stretch.

01-08-2005, 06:23 AM
royr17 MVP Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Lovin my kids Casino cash: $1778676	Carlos Rogers NOT worth a first round pick (from the KC Star Board) (Found this over at the KC Star Board, lets see what some of you guys have to say bout it and think.) There are going to be at least 2 or 3 players that will still be on the board at 15 that should be taken before Rogers. If the Chiefs were to grab this kid, they need to upgrade our second round pick, maybe package it with another mid-round pick to get up to the 30-40 range. Besides, our cornerback issue will more than likely be figured out with a free agent signing.
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01-08-2005, 10:44 AM	#32
Straight, No Chaser Veteran Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: AZ Casino cash: $3519209	I don't know how seriously you can trust some of the scouting descriptions of the cornerbacks the Chiefs may be interested in. It's kind of like reading descriptions of personal ads on the back page; it sounds good on paper but you'll only know for sure after a test drive. Internally, the Chiefs scouts will make their own private assessments and given the wants and needs of the team (Gunther, Al, and DV) they will rank these guys. At that point, none of these "soundbites" published by the so-called gurus will matter diddly squat. Translation: We need a cornerback that can excel in Gunther's scheme, preferrably cloned from either Deron Cherry, James Hasty or has the uncanny skills of a young Dale Carter. --->
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philfree Indian Twitter Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Free Agency Casino cash: $1406198	With about 7 good CB prospects in the draft I'm wondering which one is gonna slip to our 2nd round pick. Browner maybe. This draft is deep in the one position that's been identified as a position of need on the worst pass D in the league. Depending what happens in free agency I wouldn't be oppossed to doubling up on CBs in the draft. IMO we'd be better off with 2 rookies over Barttee and McCleon. PhilFree __________________ [/SIGPIC]
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Herzig Wooooooo Pig Soooooiiiie!!! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Northwest Arkansas Casino cash: $9984900	I would be so frikin happy if we drafted Rogers. I watched him play quite a bit since the Razorbacks are in the SEC. He's a stud...plus he plays against top-notch teams in the SEC. ONLY 18 receptions allowed !! Jim Thorpe award winner...played great in the Sugar bowl. Plays through injuries. What's not to like? __________________
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2bikemike Born to Ride Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: NWA Casino cash: $2245377	Man I can't believe this hasn't been posted yet. Carlos Rodgers is no Rich Scanlon!
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01-08-2005, 12:07 PM	#39
HolmeZz i guess its bittersweet poetry Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: NeW HaVeN, CT Casino cash: $10004900	Justin Miller is far from a top flight corner. If he hadn't made a name for him in the return game, he'd be a lot less known than he currently is. Adam 'Pac-Man' Jones is an absolute ballhawk. He's only about 5'11, but he's got great speed and one of the best tacklers/hitters in the draft. I'd love to have him. Carlos Rogers is a good corner, although I'd rather we not have to take him in the first round. He's got good height. He's a good hitter in the open field, but not a particularly good wrap-up tackler, which is what I think we need. I think he'll fair well at the next level. Marlin Jackson's stock slid pretty far after this season. He's been switching between corner and safety for the last year or so, and does look confused out there. I'm not particularly high on him, although he has the potential to be good. He's apparently had off the field problems, which is something that doesn't sit well with CP. Corey Webster had a weak senior campaign. He was a lock to be a top 3 corner back before the season, now that doesn't even look likely. He's got all the physical tools to be good, but he's still pretty raw at corner.
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01-09-2005, 09:12 AM	#44
philfree Indian Twitter Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Free Agency Casino cash: $1406198	[QUOTE=htismaqe]None of these guys are "top-flight" CB's. Few are going from college to the NFL. But Miller has all of the tools to be one. Rogers is solid. But the thing that makes me want Miller over Rogers is that Miller has the ability to be a game-breaker. Rogers is solid. Marlin Jackson played S last year. He didn't split time at all this year, he played CB. He did have off-field problems. IIRC, he hit someone with a beer bottle. And IMO Corey Webster=Julian Battle.[/QUOTE] I'd have to disagree with the Battle/Webster comparison. I don't have Battles college pedigree but I don't think it is anything close to Websters. He had 7 ints in back to back seasons 25 pdus one of those years and had two ints this year. That's production at the CB position. I don't recall Battle having any thing close those numbers. Does any of the other CBs in the draft have numbers like that against that kind of competition? IMO he could be the guy that best fits what Gun wants in a CB better then any of the others. PhilFree __________________ [/SIGPIC]
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