Chiefs Drafting Corner - Page 4

Direckshun · 03-20-2012, 12:02 PM

Let's play with this idea for a moment.

Chiefs are on the clock at #11, can't trade down, and Kirkpatrick and/or Janoris Jenkins are still on the board.

If that is the case, how interested might you be in pulling the trigger?

Keep in mind the usual suspects will be at the #11 pick, DeCastro, all the tackles, Kuechly, Poe.

If you bring on a corner, especially a stud like Jenkins, you have the best three corner combo in the NFL, and Arenas in the slot (where he's excelled) if you need him.

If you're REALLY concerned about Manning winning the division over you, this isn't the worst thought in the world.

The Jets showed us that if you have enough talent at CB, then you really can neuter even the best of franchise QBs. Brady is arguably the best QB in the league, and he has to throw away from his WRs when he plays the Jets.

The only problem there is that you have to REALLY stack the CB position like the Jets did. It's too much money to tie up in one position.

Except, Flowers would be the only corner in KC with a fat contract. Routt + Jenkins' rookie contract together would be cheaper than Brandon Carr, bar none. Financially, it's completely doable, and the Chiefs would still have double digits in millions of dollars in cap room.

Manning would have to hit his tight end(s) and check down receivers, because Flowers and Routt are largely neutralizing his #1 and #2, and all Jenkins has to do is shut down the #3. Arenas covers the slot. And we've all seen how mortal Manning looks when he's frustrated.

Plus, this gives us insurance for an elite CB duo if Routt doesn't pan out.

It's a thought.

Discuss.

**RealSNR** · 03-20-2012, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Wilson8

I don't think Pioli will invest that high in another safety, both with 1st round draft pick and with money. Berry's contract was for $60 million. Lewis as a 5th round pick, has been a low cost good player for the Chiefs. The Chiefs could get a better safety than Lewis, but not sure they are prepared to make that investment.

And after Lewis?

We haven't signed any safety depth this free agent period. We're going to need to get some guys in the draft, and I'd like to see them invest pretty heavily, actually. We need a quality player to back up. I'm sick of McGraw and Pissycat****y

**BossChief** · 03-20-2012, 09:21 PM

Routt gave up how many touchdowns last year?

Sure would be nice to have a playmaker playing right behind him....especially if SR goes down and Brown gets thrust into the starters role.

The kid is a damn good player that would be on the field a lot.

Don't forget, Berry is coming off an ACL and Lewis has missed games both years with us.

A guy like Barron would make this defensive secondary scary as hell.

**loochy** · 03-20-2012, 09:22 PM

we should draft a corner, wait for him to get good, then let him walk in FA

Wilson8 · 03-20-2012, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

And after Lewis?

We haven't signed any safety depth this free agent period. We're going to need to get some guys in the draft, and I'd like to see them invest pretty heavily, actually. We need a quality player to back up. I'm sick of McGraw and Pissycat****y

Completely agree that the Chief's need to improve at safety and I think they will with a lower cost free agent or maybe a mid round draft pick.

**Ming the Merciless** · 03-20-2012, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by loochy

we should draft a corner, wait for him to get good, then let him walk in FA

Blick · 03-20-2012, 10:00 PM

I think Barron could be a real possibility. We've already added insurance for Charles and Moeaki with Hillis and Boss, so I think we could look to help Berry out at safety as well.

Direckshun · 03-20-2012, 10:11 PM

Barron makes no ****ing sense.

Berry plays like 95% of our defensive snaps, and will be a Chief for 10 years.

An insurance policy isn't worth the #11 overall.

Corner is different -- we can let Routt go after a season or two if we have to.

We're not letting Berry go anywhere, ever.

Blick · 03-20-2012, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

Barron makes no ****ing sense.

Berry plays like 95% of our defensive snaps, and will be a Chief for 10 years.

An insurance policy isn't worth the #11 overall.

Corner is different -- we can let Routt go after a season or two if we have to.

We're not letting Berry go anywhere, ever.

They can play at the same time, and be awesome.

Wilson8 · 03-20-2012, 10:19 PM

CB Casey Hayward from Vanderbilt looked good in the Senior Bowl practices and game. Good or bad, he has a lot of the qualities that Pioli looks for in the draft. Good SEC player, team captain, Senior Bowl standout, good vertical and broad jump, etc..

He's projected to be a 3rd round pick.

Jalil Brown seems to have Chiefs fans really liking him or hating him. He has a lot of good physical attributes but when I've watched him in practice and games, he seems to get beat a lot or does a lot of holding and grabbing the receiver to keep from getting beat.

I hope Jalil doesn't end up being another Donald Washington.

Chief_For_Life58 · 03-20-2012, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

And after Lewis?

We haven't signed any safety depth this free agent period. We're going to need to get some guys in the draft, and I'd like to see them invest pretty heavily, actually. We need a quality player to back up. I'm sick of McGraw and Pissycat****y

that ss from notre dame looked pretty good at the combine. never watched his tape or anything though. definitely looked like an upgrade to mcgraws dumb ass though

KC Hawks · 03-20-2012, 10:34 PM

Drafting Barron and moving Berry to FS (which I think would fully utilize his talents) is intriguing.

Direckshun · 03-20-2012, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Blick

They can play at the same time, and be awesome.

Neither is a natural center fielder.

Direckshun · 03-20-2012, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Wilson8

CB Casey Hayward from Vanderbilt looked good in the Senior Bowl practices and game. Good or bad, he has a lot of the qualities that Pioli looks for in the draft. Good SEC player, team captain, Senior Bowl standout, good vertical and broad jump, etc..

He's projected to be a 3rd round pick.

Yup. Certainly someone to keep an eye on.

Direckshun · 03-20-2012, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by KC Hawks

Drafting Barron and moving Berry to FS (which I think would fully utilize his talents) is intriguing.

Sheesh.

Why don't we just move Albert to RT.

KC Hawks · 03-20-2012, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

Sheesh.

Why don't we just move Albert to RT.

Berry played FS his first two years in college and racked up 12 interceptions.

03-20-2012, 12:02 PM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4363447	Drafting Corner Let's play with this idea for a moment. Chiefs are on the clock at #11, can't trade down, and Kirkpatrick and/or Janoris Jenkins are still on the board. If that is the case, how interested might you be in pulling the trigger? Keep in mind the usual suspects will be at the #11 pick, DeCastro, all the tackles, Kuechly, Poe. If you bring on a corner, especially a stud like Jenkins, you have the best three corner combo in the NFL, and Arenas in the slot (where he's excelled) if you need him. If you're REALLY concerned about Manning winning the division over you, this isn't the worst thought in the world. The Jets showed us that if you have enough talent at CB, then you really can neuter even the best of franchise QBs. Brady is arguably the best QB in the league, and he has to throw away from his WRs when he plays the Jets. The only problem there is that you have to REALLY stack the CB position like the Jets did. It's too much money to tie up in one position. Except, Flowers would be the only corner in KC with a fat contract. Routt + Jenkins' rookie contract together would be cheaper than Brandon Carr, bar none. Financially, it's completely doable, and the Chiefs would still have double digits in millions of dollars in cap room. Manning would have to hit his tight end(s) and check down receivers, because Flowers and Routt are largely neutralizing his #1 and #2, and all Jenkins has to do is shut down the #3. Arenas covers the slot. And we've all seen how mortal Manning looks when he's frustrated. Plus, this gives us insurance for an elite CB duo if Routt doesn't pan out. It's a thought. Discuss.
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03-20-2012, 09:21 PM	#47
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03-20-2012, 10:00 PM	#51
Blick Veteran Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: South KC Casino cash: $10004900	I think Barron could be a real possibility. We've already added insurance for Charles and Moeaki with Hillis and Boss, so I think we could look to help Berry out at safety as well.
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03-20-2012, 10:11 PM	#52
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4363447	Barron makes no ****ing sense. Berry plays like 95% of our defensive snaps, and will be a Chief for 10 years. An insurance policy isn't worth the #11 overall. Corner is different -- we can let Routt go after a season or two if we have to. We're not letting Berry go anywhere, ever.
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03-20-2012, 10:19 PM	#54
Wilson8 Veteran Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $3617557	CB Casey Hayward from Vanderbilt looked good in the Senior Bowl practices and game. Good or bad, he has a lot of the qualities that Pioli looks for in the draft. Good SEC player, team captain, Senior Bowl standout, good vertical and broad jump, etc.. He's projected to be a 3rd round pick. Jalil Brown seems to have Chiefs fans really liking him or hating him. He has a lot of good physical attributes but when I've watched him in practice and games, he seems to get beat a lot or does a lot of holding and grabbing the receiver to keep from getting beat. I hope Jalil doesn't end up being another Donald Washington.
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03-20-2012, 10:34 PM	#56
KC Hawks Veteran Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: The West Side Casino cash: $1494310	Drafting Barron and moving Berry to FS (which I think would fully utilize his talents) is intriguing.
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