Cardinals 2018 STL Cardinals Thread - Page 300

**BigRedChief** · 02:21 PM

Opening day lineup

Fowler RF
Pham CF
Carpenter 3B
Ozuna LF
Martinez 1B
Molina C
Dejong SS
Wong 2B
Pitcher

Edit:
Matheny fired 07/14/2018

Opening Day Roster

Spoiler!

**OnTheWarpath15** · 12-21-2018, 05:42 PM

Andrew Friedman confirmed the Dodgers will release Homer Bailey.
— Jorge Castillo (@jorgecastillo) December 21, 2018

jd1020 · 12-21-2018, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15

Andrew Friedman confirmed the Dodgers will release Homer Bailey.
— Jorge Castillo (@jorgecastillo) December 21, 2018

**BigRedChief** · 12-21-2018, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Knew I was missing one.

Man. You’re way more sold on his injury being a permanent degradation than I am. I think two years of heavy postseason use got to him and he’s ready for a bounce back.

DJ is just in a pissed off mood about the front office.

Seems to me a two year deal for $25 million is a “fair or good” deal in today’s market for Miller + incentives. If he earns them, great for him and us. He gets a vested 3rd year? Good for him and us because he’s been doing good enough to get the appearances over the last two years.

**The Franchise** · 12-21-2018, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15

Andrew Friedman confirmed the Dodgers will release Homer Bailey.
— Jorge Castillo (@jorgecastillo) December 21, 2018

That was obviously going to happen

jd1020 · 12-21-2018, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

DJ is just in a pissed off mood about the front office.

Seems to me a two year deal for $25 million is a “fair or good” deal in today’s market for Miller + incentives. If he earns them, great for him and us. He gets a vested 3rd year? Good for him and us because he’s been doing good enough to get the appearances over the last two years.

For the 3rd year to kick in he only needs to average 55 appearances a year. Basically he just needs to stay healthy. Doesn't necessarily mean hes doing good.

DJ's left nut · 12-21-2018, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

DJ is just in a pissed off mood about the front office.

Seems to me a two year deal for $25 million is a “fair or good” deal in today’s market for Miller + incentives. If he earns them, great for him and us. He gets a vested 3rd year? Good for him and us because he’s been doing good enough to get the appearances over the last two years.

Same shit we heard about holland. You were as loudly incorrect as anyone there.

Bet you whatever you'd like he won't hit the 2.5 wins/season he needs for this deal to even make it to fair. And no, i'm not adopting that stupid goddamn $8 million win share nonsense. A win is worth $5 million (I can argue 4) and contracts like Fowler, Heyward and Davis driving that average up to $8 million doesn't change that.

Look at his k rate and his swinging strike rate. Look at the velocity drop. You know why he took 2 years and an option? Because NOBODY was offering 3. Again - what does that tell you?

MLB sees the smoke coming from the radiator on this guy. Hes cooked, man. Tito ran him as hard as Matheny ran Seigrist and at 34 yrs old hes just gassed.

DJ's left nut · 12-21-2018, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

For the 3rd year to kick in he only needs to average 55 appearances a year. Basically he just needs to stay healthy. Doesn't necessarily mean hes doing good.

I'll say the same thing I said when we signed Gregerson and included a third year option - I don't care, we'll DFA him before the second year is up.

Miller won't see 110 appearances in STL due to a combination of injuries and ineffectiveness. Though he'll still be able to punch Heyward's worthless ass out...

**BigRedChief** · 12-21-2018, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Same shit we heard about holland. You were as loudly incorrect as anyone there.

I don’t remember saying Holland was going to kick ass and take names.

As far as Miller money goes what was the going rate - what Mo paid? How much did he overpay?

duncan_idaho · 12-22-2018, 06:35 AM

Every free agent signing of any significance is going to be an overpay if you value a win at $4-5 million.

Harper is going to get at least $30 million a year. He’d have to average 6 - 7.5 wins a year to be value neutral at that rate, which is probably lower Than it would be.

**BigRedChief** · 12-22-2018, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Every free agent signing of any significance is going to be an overpay if you value a win at $4-5 million.

Harper is going to get at least $30 million a year. He’d have to average 6 - 7.5 wins a year to be value neutral at that rate, which is probably lower Than it would be.

I really like DJ, he brings a lot of baseball knowledge to this thread and myself but, like I said, he is in a mood.

**BigRedChief** · 12-28-2018, 11:03 AM

Pham winning over the fans........says the Rays have no fan base. How are they supposed to compete?

It sucks going from playing in front of a great fan base to a team with really no fan base at all," he said. "St. Louis, they're one of the few teams to where day in and day out they have 40,000 fans at every game.

"That's something that I miss, because even here in the Dominican they have a strong fan base for the team I'm playing for. Their fans are very supportive, they're loud. And the Rays? They just don't have that."

https://www.cltampa.com/news-views/l...as-no-fan-base

Marco Polo · 12-28-2018, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Pham winning over the fans........says the Rays have no fan base. How are they supposed to compete?

It sucks going from playing in front of a great fan base to a team with really no fan base at all," he said. "St. Louis, they're one of the few teams to where day in and day out they have 40,000 fans at every game.

"That's something that I miss, because even here in the Dominican they have a strong fan base for the team I'm playing for. Their fans are very supportive, they're loud. And the Rays? They just don't have that."

https://www.cltampa.com/news-views/l...as-no-fan-base

I read reports after he was traded that he was a diva within the clubhouse and didn't get along with management. What I don't know is whether this was a Matheny thing and/or a Mo thing.

**BigRedChief** · 12-28-2018, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Marco Polo

I read reports after he was traded that he was a diva within the clubhouse and didn't get along with management. What I don't know is whether this was a Matheny thing and/or a Mo thing.

He definitely is not a fan favorite down here. This article is only going to make it worse. My Rays friends asked about him when they traded for him. Same thing you heard, they are hearing now, he's a diva in the clubhouse and with fans. Love his production so they havent turned on him yet.

They really have no fan base. I live 5 minutes from the stadium. They have $10 seats with $5 parking and I've went once, to see the Cardinals.

The area around the stadium is blowing up. Big 20-30 story condo/retail complexes going up all around but..... it has absolutely nothing to do with the stadium or the Rays. Most people want the Rays gone or the stadium moved. Put a convention center or something in its place to ramp up the area even more.

They just has a billion $ downtown Tampa deal fall through. No one wants to put up $500 million for a stadium for a team that its voters are meh about. The Rays are eventually leaving. Nothing can turn it around for them.

Marco Polo · 12-28-2018, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

He definitely is not a fan favorite down here. This article is only going to make it worse. My Rays friends asked about him when they traded for him. Same thing you heard, they are hearing now, he's a diva in the clubhouse and with fans. Love his production so they havent turned on him yet.

They really have no fan base. I live 5 minutes from the stadium. They have $10 seats with $5 parking and I've went once, to see the Cardinals.

The area around the stadium is blowing up. Big 20-30 story condo/retail complexes going up all around but..... it has absolutely nothing to do with the stadium or the Rays. Most people want the Rays gone or the stadium moved. Put a convention center or something in its place to ramp up the area even more.

They just has a billion $ downtown Tampa deal fall through. No one wants to put up $500 million for a stadium for a team that its voters are meh about. The Rays are eventually leaving. Nothing can turn it around for them.

I would have no problems if they moved to Montreal and they somehow get the Expos name back. I am kind of surprised no one cares about baseball in the entire state of Florida considering the age and demographic diversity there.

Frazod · 12-28-2018, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Marco Polo

I would have no problems if they moved to Montreal and they somehow get the Expos name back. I am kind of surprised no one cares about baseball in the entire state of Florida considering the age and demographic diversity there.

When it comes to age, if you're talking about retirees or other people who relocated because of weather or other reasons, they're not going to stop rooting for the teams they always rooted for. And of course many Floridians are still Brave fans, going back to a time when Florida had no teams.

I've now lived in the Chicago area much longer than I did in Missouri. Sure as **** hasn't turned me into a Cub fan.

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BigRedChief Has a particular set of skills Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: On the water Casino cash: $3159627 VARSITY	Pham winning over the fans........says the Rays have no fan base. How are they supposed to compete? It sucks going from playing in front of a great fan base to a team with really no fan base at all," he said. "St. Louis, they're one of the few teams to where day in and day out they have 40,000 fans at every game. "That's something that I miss, because even here in the Dominican they have a strong fan base for the team I'm playing for. Their fans are very supportive, they're loud. And the Rays? They just don't have that." https://www.cltampa.com/news-views/l...as-no-fan-base __________________ Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering. -YODA
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