Chiefs focused on Mahomes, McCaffrey, and Cunningham in RD1

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by penchief

You may be right about Mahomes but one thing stood out to me on the few highlight videos I watched. Based on everything I was hearing about his arm I was expecting to see a barrage of long balls. But what stood out to me was that he threw a lot of check downs. I thought to myself that I could see why Andy was interested. He seemed like he could play Reid's offense but with the added dimension of being able to sling it deep.

Maybe Reid does want to add the long ball but that's not what a traditional WCO is about. All the big plays from the WCO are supposed to come from YAC.

Dink and dunk the defense to death, have a QB that can hit the 3rd and 6 pass for a 1st down every single time. The WCO is death by a 1000 cuts, not bombs away. You want accuracy,timing and consistency, not arm strength. Andy Reid gets scared whenever we turn the ball over. He is not a guy who wants a QB that throws for 400+yrds with 5tds and 2ints. He wants 250 yrds with 2-3tds and 0 ints.

Reid is about being safe and conservative ... let the other team lose the game for you

Mahomes is about attack,attack,attack until the defense just gives up.

[penchief]

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

Maybe Reid does want to add the long ball but that's not what a traditional WCO is about. All the big plays from the WCO are supposed to come from YAC.

Dink and dunk the defense to death, have a QB that can hit the 3rd and 6 pass for a 1st down every single time. The WCO is death by a 1000 cuts, not bombs away. You want accuracy,timing and consistency, not arm strength. Andy Reid gets scared whenever we turn the ball over. He is not a guy who wants a QB that throws for 400+yrds with 5tds and 2ints. He wants 250 yrds with 2-3tds and 0 ints.

Reid is about being safe and conservative ... let the other team lose the game for you

Mahomes is about attack,attack,attack until the defense just gives up.

You're probably right but it struck me that Mahomes threw a lot of those passes you describe. A lot more of the shorter timing passes and check downs than I was expecting to see. And maybe that is what Reid sees. Maybe the long ball is just a bonus.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

All the big plays from the WCO are supposed to come from YAC.

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by ASS11

Stats can be deceiving

If you watched McNabb back in the day, you would have seen him playing sandlot football.

**** the play, **** the progressions ... McNabb just held the ball and ran around until he could chuck it deep. Most plays were nothing more than McNabb in one big scramble drill.

IMO That was part of the reason why Reid traded McNabb in the end. Reid hated that McNabb just told him to **** off and did what he wanted to.

As soon as McNabb was forced into a real offense he turned to complete shit.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

Stats can be deceiving

If you watched McNabb back in the day, you would have seen him playing sandlot football.

**** the play, **** the progressions ... McNabb just held the ball and ran around until he could chuck it deep. Most plays were nothing more than McNabb in one big scramble drill.

IMO That was part of the reason why Reid traded McNabb in the end. Reid hated that McNabb just told him to **** off and did what he wanted to.

As soon as McNabb was forced into a real offense he turned to complete shit.

McNabb 'turned to complete shit' because he was in Washington where everything turned to complete shit and he was ancient.

McNabb's sandlot football went to 4 AFC championship games while Alex Smith can't beat a team that scores zero touchdowns at home. I'll take McNabb over Smith every time and at this point, frustrations aside, I believe Reid would as well.

There's no way he's not !@#$ing tired of this. For all you say about him being older and not wanting to deal with the headache, the guy KNOWS his place in the NFL pantheon of all-time coaches depends on a Super Bowl. If he wins a championship, he becomes a top 10 guy in the eyes of many. He probably goes to the HOF.

He'll have the W%, raw victories and championship he needs to be in the conversation with all but maybe 2-3 guys in NFL history. He NEEDS this championship to have a legacy that matters. He knows it.

He's not going to ride or die with this chickenshit forever. If Mahomes gets to 16, he's a Chief.

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

McNabb 'turned to complete shit' because he was in Washington where everything turned to complete shit and he was ancient.

McNabb's sandlot football went to 4 AFC championship games while Alex Smith can't beat a team that scores zero touchdowns at home. I'll take McNabb over Smith every time and at this point, frustrations aside, I believe Reid would as well.

There's no way he's not !@#$ing tired of this. For all you say about him being older and not wanting to deal with the headache, the guy KNOWS his place in the NFL pantheon of all-time coaches depends on a Super Bowl. If he wins a championship, he becomes a top 10 guy in the eyes of many. He probably goes to the HOF.

He'll have the W%, raw victories and championship he needs to be in the conversation with all but maybe 2-3 guys in NFL history. He NEEDS this championship to have a legacy that matters. He knows it.

He's not going to ride or die with this chickenshit forever. If Mahomes gets to 16, he's a Chief.

We certainly will see.

If we pass on a QB this year then you will have your answer.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

We certainly will see.

If we pass on a QB this year then you will have your answer.

Depends on the draft board - Watson is just Chocolate Smith, IMO. And Kizer appears to not justify the risk, though I could see us jumping at 27.

But if Mahomes or Trubisky are sitting there within feasible trade-up range and we don't pull the trigger, you'll be right.

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Depends on the draft board - Watson is just Chocolate Smith, IMO. And Kizer appears to not justify the risk, though I could see us jumping at 27.

But if Mahomes or Trubisky are sitting there within feasible trade-up range and we don't pull the trigger, you'll be right.

Wow, that certainly narrows the possibilities.

Pull a Dikta and trade everything to get Trubisky
Mahomes falls
Nothing

Andy "the QB guru" Reid is certainly limited in who he can be good with. People keep insisting that this draft really does have a good QB class. Yet it comes down to only 2 players?

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

McNabb 'turned to complete shit' because he was in Washington where everything turned to complete shit and he was ancient.

McNabb's sandlot football went to 4 AFC championship games while Alex Smith can't beat a team that scores zero touchdowns at home. I'll take McNabb over Smith every time and at this point, frustrations aside, I believe Reid would as well.

There's no way he's not !@#$ing tired of this. For all you say about him being older and not wanting to deal with the headache, the guy KNOWS his place in the NFL pantheon of all-time coaches depends on a Super Bowl. If he wins a championship, he becomes a top 10 guy in the eyes of many. He probably goes to the HOF.

He'll have the W%, raw victories and championship he needs to be in the conversation with all but maybe 2-3 guys in NFL history. He NEEDS this championship to have a legacy that matters. He knows it.

He's not going to ride or die with this chickenshit forever. If Mahomes gets to 16, he's a Chief.

What if Reid came to the conclusion if that McNabb was the reason why he never won a ring and would have been better off with a game manager surrounded by an all-star RB and ridiculously good YAC receivers on offense to augment an all-decade level defense?

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

What if Reid came to the conclusion if that McNabb was the reason why he never won a ring and would have been better off with a game manager surrounded by an all-star RB and ridiculously good YAC receivers on offense to augment an all-decade level defense?

So what conclusions can he reach by the fact that 4 years later the flip side of that coin is 1-3 in the post-season?

If your answer to McNabb's improvising is Alex Smith's....nothing...then you've read the question wrong.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

So what conclusions can he reach by the fact that 4 years later the flip side of that coin is 1-3 in the post-season?

If your answer to McNabb's improvising is Alex Smith's....nothing...then you've read the question wrong.

As others have glibly pointed out, the 1-3 isn't nearly as important as 43-21 being better than 2-14 to the person ultimately in charge.

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

If Mahomes gets to 16, he's a Chief.

16, huh?

Damn, that's a bold prediction.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

16, huh?

Damn, that's a bold prediction.

I'm not positive we'd trade up that high, but if he makes it past the Cardinals there are a bunch of spots between there and 20 where we can make a deal happen that isn't cost-prohibitive. We may trade up to 20 and snag him at 20, but if he gets to 16 I think he's clear of the high-end threats that can knock us out of the bidding.

And if they're fighting with Houston to get into the late teens/early 20s to make the move, I don't think Dorsey will blink this time. The Treadwell stuff was a pretty apparent smokescreen and they got sniped by Denver on Lynch. Dorsey's not going to let that happen this year - he'll find his landing spot for his guy and he'll make the move to get there.

Unless Arizona ****s us because the firepower it takes to get up to 11/12 may just be too much.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

McNabb 'turned to complete shit' because he was in Washington where everything turned to complete shit and he was ancient.

McNabb's sandlot football went to 4 AFC championship games while Alex Smith can't beat a team that scores zero touchdowns at home. I'll take McNabb over Smith every time and at this point, frustrations aside, I believe Reid would as well.

There's no way he's not !@#$ing tired of this. For all you say about him being older and not wanting to deal with the headache, the guy KNOWS his place in the NFL pantheon of all-time coaches depends on a Super Bowl. If he wins a championship, he becomes a top 10 guy in the eyes of many. He probably goes to the HOF.

He'll have the W%, raw victories and championship he needs to be in the conversation with all but maybe 2-3 guys in NFL history. He NEEDS this championship to have a legacy that matters. He knows it.

He's not going to ride or die with this chickenshit forever. If Mahomes gets to 16, he's a Chief.

Let's not act like they went to those NFC championships BECAUSE of McNabb. He was a pretty average QB in the playoffs. Averaged 234 yards 1.5 touchdowns and 1 interception a game with 59% completion.
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[Bewbies]

Originally Posted by -King-

Let's not act like they went to those NFC championships BECAUSE of McNabb. He was a pretty average QB in the playoffs. Averaged 234 yards 1.5 touchdowns and 1 interception a game with 59% completion.
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1.5 TD's per game? We can't deal with that level of success here for sure.