Let's talk about the Patriots

[cmh6476]

too soon?

[WhamBlock]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

Oh really?

By what metric are you measuring? I mean I would love to understand how you can say that with so much conviction. Is it because we gave up more yards? Points?

Let just lay the facts out there.

Forced Fumbles:
Patriots - 14
Chiefs - 23

Interceptions:
Patriots - 18
Chiefs - 15

Sacks:
Patriots - 30
Chiefs - 52

You allowed something like 27 points per game this season and over 400+ yards per game.

Congrats on the sack numbers, but your defense doesn't get an absurd amount of pressure on the QB. In fact, as has already been stated here and verified with facts, your defense gets less overall pressure than ours.

[SupDock]

Originally Posted by WhamBlock

It's really not at all surprising that you completely missed the point. The discussion was about pressure, and how pressure without sacks can impact the passing game. I haven't watched the game in months, and there indeed wasn't pressure on that INT, but my overall point is spot on, as supported by actual analysis of the film. I linked to this analysis, which concluded that "NE's pressure, and Mahomes' performance under pressure that night, was a large part of why NE won the game." He threw several incompletions (including one in the red zone on 3rd down with Kelce 1 on 1) and was forced to check down to very short completions as a result of the pressure.

Who do we trust here - some salty guy named "RollChiefsRoll" on ChiefsPlanet, or a guy whose job is to literally break down film?

I would trust the multitude of sources having the Chiefs favored to win at home

[RobertWeathers]

Originally Posted by Yehoodi

Well . . . we will see what happens on Sunday.

No Houston did not play in that game and we will see how much of a different he makes on Sunday. The Pats were in their early season mode and are now in their late season mode. We will see how that effects the game.

As for the KC comeback, the Pats procedure for being up big in a game is to give ground/points/possession in exchange for time to shorten the game. This is partly due to KC's comeback in week 6. Not to take too much away from KC, but a portion of the comeback was due to our policy.

Like the Pats playing the Jets week 17 the Chiefs played oakland, with both franchise getting ready for the summer. The Pats handled LAC fairly well and let us to shorten the game and the Chargers go two TDs in the 4th quarter.

So both KC and NE are coming off solids wins recently and wins against division rival getting ready for off season.

I sure as hell hoped Flo learned something that game. Dropping into that soft C2 was galactically stupid.

[WhamBlock]

Originally Posted by SupDock

So all the goats in NE had a foolproof plan to destroy Mahomes, it works, so they abandon it and almost lose the game? That's your proof of how amazing the coaches are?

Seems more likely that Mahomes figured out the defense.

It's something that we see a lot when we get out to a big lead, but unfortunately, they went to it way too early in that game. The execution when we went to more of a Cover 2 was also poor, admittedly, but that's not a look you want to give Mahomes very often.

[SupDock]

Originally Posted by RobertWeathers

I sure as hell hoped Flo learned something that game. Dropping into that soft C2 was galactically stupid.

I like you, you talk football without being an insufferable Homer. Stick around

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by WhamBlock

You allowed something like 27 points per game this season and over 400+ yards per game.

Congrats on the sack numbers, but your defense doesn't get an absurd amount of pressure on the QB. In fact, as has already been stated here and verified with facts, your defense gets less overall pressure than ours.

We led the league in sacks you moron........

That is a FACT,

[Yehoodi]

Originally Posted by BlackOp

Speaking of health...I'm not sure if you remember or not...but when you faced KC in the post-season, the Chiefs were a MASH unit...and still only lost 27-20. No Charles, Ware, Maclin..and a hobbled Houston that had surgery after the game.

I would be like you coming in this weekend with no White, Edelman, Hightower and Michel. Think on that..

You STILL haven't faced a healthy Houston since 2014...

I had thought that Maclin played in that game, but i could be mistaken.

Btw, we also had our share of injuries. We had no running back and had to pull Steven Jackson out of retirement in like week 15 and we started our ST specialist Brandon Bolden at RB.

Also, that was the year that Edelman was banged up with a foot injury as well as Amendola got injured late in the season when he had to return punts caused Edelman could not and we had removed Chris Harper from punt returns after he muffs the one in Denver.

Not to mentioned this was the game of Chandler Jones had his episode in the police parking lot and we had our star LB Collins free lancing, which cost us in the AFCCG.

So yes KC had its concerns, but so did the Pats.

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by Yehoodi

I had thought that Maclin played in that game, but i could be mistaken.

Btw, we also had our share of injuries. We had no running back and had to pull Steven Jackson out of retirement in like week 15 and we started our ST specialist Brandon Bolden at RB.

Also, that was the year that Edelman was banged up with a foot injury as well as Amendola got injured late in the season when he had to return punts caused Edelman could not and we had removed Chris Harper from punt returns after he muffs the one in Denver.

Not to mentioned this was the game of Chandler Jones had his episode in the police parking lot and we had our star LB Collins free lancing, which cost us in the AFCCG.

So yes KC had its concerns, but so did the Pats.

Yeah but lets not act like Alex Smith = Patrick Mahomes.

Again this GAP between defenses doesn't exist to the degree some Patriot fans are saying, but the GAP between our offenses and special teams does exist.

[WhamBlock]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

We led the league in sacks you moron........

That is a FACT,

Sacks are only a portion of the total number of pressures. You have fewer pressures per snap on the season than we do.

That is a fact.

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by WhamBlock

Sacks are only a portion of the total number of pressures. You have fewer pressures per snap on the season than we do.

That is a fact.

would love your source

meanwhile

[Yehoodi]

Originally Posted by RobertWeathers

I sure as hell hoped Flo learned something that game. Dropping into that soft C2 was galactically stupid.

Well frustrating or not, it is kind of the Pats MO. I am not a big fan of it either at times.

But been going on since we played Manning & Co. It is a percentage thing that BB goes with, make them eat time and shorten the possessions and one gets to a point where there are not enough possessions left in the game to comeback and win.

The alternative is to keep the same D, hope you stop them (and no freer walk down field) in exchange for giving them a chance to score quicker.

[Danguardace]

Originally Posted by Yehoodi

I had thought that Maclin played in that game, but i could be mistaken.

Btw, we also had our share of injuries. We had no running back and had to pull Steven Jackson out of retirement in like week 15 and we started our ST specialist Brandon Bolden at RB.

Also, that was the year that Edelman was banged up with a foot injury as well as Amendola got injured late in the season when he had to return punts caused Edelman could not and we had removed Chris Harper from punt returns after he muffs the one in Denver.

Not to mentioned this was the game of Chandler Jones had his episode in the police parking lot and we had our star LB Collins free lancing, which cost us in the AFCCG.

So yes KC had its concerns, but so did the Pats.

Maclin played about 2 series before being benched.

I personally dont care for injuries, look at the Eagles last year... no excuse. That said it is nice to have both teams healthy so no excuses.

[WhamBlock]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

would love your source

meanwhile

Here are the numbers through week 17.

Overall pressures per snap:

twitter.com/NFLMatchup/status/1077946886676455426

Pressures WITHOUT blitzing:

twitter.com/NFLMatchup/status/1080961908075872258

Pressure on 3rd down:

twitter.com/NFLMatchup/status/1082364802276700161

I can't post links correctly yet, so I had to post them like that. Just copy/paste them.

[RobertWeathers]

Originally Posted by SupDock

I like you, you talk football without being an insufferable Homer. Stick around

To be clear I am an insufferable homer :-)

I just don't let my fandom skew reality.

I have an engineering background....that should explain it. :-)

[RobertWeathers]

Originally Posted by Yehoodi

Well frustrating or not, it is kind of the Pats MO. I am not a big fan of it either at times.

But been going on since we played Manning & Co. It is a percentage thing that BB goes with, make them eat time and shorten the possessions and one gets to a point where there are not enough possessions left in the game to comeback and win.

The alternative is to keep the same D, hope you stop them (and no freer walk down field) in exchange for giving them a chance to score quicker.

Agree. Bill is all about risk management.

I do recall on Monday after the KC game he was pissed. That was telling.