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UPDATE: Ford to 49ers for a 2020 2nd round pick. Official.
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03-13-2019, 09:21 AM | #856 |
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Peters and Ford both first rounders are now gone. That is bad. Wasted picks.
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03-13-2019, 09:22 AM | #857 | |
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In a straight 4-3 I think you're right, but if our base is going to heavily feature the under alignments, he's a great fit. And we know he can be equally effective against the pass there because that's essentially how he was used in the sub-packages anyway when we went to those 2-4-5 alignments. I just think you're whistling past the graveyard a LOT when it comes to the risk and development curve of rookie defensive linemen. The odds overwhelmingly suggest that you won't get a player of Ford's caliber even if you use your 1st rounder on a DL and that even if you do, it's gonna take 2-3 years to get there. We've taken a massive step down on our DL here and the draft capital gained will do very little to resolve that. When our best hope is praying that Speaks and K-Pass don't suck as badly as they've appeared to over their NFL careers, that's a hell of a hail mary...
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03-13-2019, 09:22 AM | #858 | |
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Other than that, where you gonna get these guys? Pass rushers go early and often in the draft, so unless you're trading up that kind of defeats that. Then you go trading up and trading away these picks you've accumulated, which kind of defeats the purpose |
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03-13-2019, 09:24 AM | #859 |
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If you want to go with the draft picks to rebuild it, fine.
But don't go blow money on free agents. |
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03-13-2019, 09:24 AM | #860 |
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Chiefs will find a decent stopgap or 2 for right now and draft someone early. Chris Long would be a cheap get.
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He missed on a 2nd and two 3rds, one of whom was showing promise before blowing out a knee. He has 2 true misses on 1st day picks in 5 years running the Chiefs draft. That's a hell of a track record. As for anything past the first 2 days - lord, just about ALL those guys belong in the AAF. That's the nature of the draft, man.
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Yeah, even in an under. Yes, that helps with the b gap ... but it doesn’t help on the edge or with stretch plays. You can bring a WR in motion and down block Ford out of the play. Consistently and easily. Then you have a TE and LT moving to the second level to clean up the vacated CB and the LB. If you’re running away from him, again, a motioned WR can deal with Ford on the backside (probably even more dangerous in this situation because the CB has a lot more traffic to navigate. I’ll take a Ferrell or Omenihu, etc. Day 1 in this scheme over Ford and take my chances. Chris Long, Shane Ray... other 1-year guys on small deals also can help. Quote:
I’m not looking for a Dee Ford clone. I’m looking for a versatile DE who can defend the run and pass, and there are several of those in this draft. Boss and Allen look like the only really elite pass rushers on Day 1, but that doesn’t mean they’re the only DEs worthy of starting Day 1. Speaks will start at LE and I like his fit there. Just don’t think they’ll enter the season with him and Kpass as the starters and sole sources of pass rush.
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toward the end, you saw a coach who literally had no idea what to do with what we had. And when your coach doesn't know what to ask for, your GM has no ****ing clue what to get. So far Dorsey has been absolute nails at D personnel for the browns. Wonder why that is. The coaches apparently complained that Sutton was using kpass wrong. Adding Ragland, a guy Rex Ryan loved, shows sutton is still stuck on an obsolete defense. It took Reid going over Suttons head to get ward on the field. To veachs credit, he forced Sutton to adjust by building toward a defense sutton wasn't running. But the problem would've been better solved if Reid just fired sutton last year. That poor decision still fires me up. |
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03-13-2019, 09:39 AM | #865 |
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Love to see all of these changes taking place and I'm not sad to see him gone, but waiting until 2020 for that pick sucks ass
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As for edge plays - again, the under specifically helps in that regard because now for a tackle to seal that edge he has to kick block around Ford. There are very very few guys that can get out and around Ford when he's on an outside shoulder. That first step quickness is a bitch to get a seal block on for an edge play. I think the under formation helps him MORE on stretch plays because he can now use his athleticism to force the edge and get the LT coming forward, a situation where he can now use his athleticism and balance to win the rep. I don't see anything Ford does that is made worse by a move to a 4-3 under. The biggest problem he had was the edge when his help inside was in a 0/1 technique and Ford could get driven out to open the B gap. That's actually neutralized somewhat and now he can still be effective on the off-tackle runs.
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03-13-2019, 09:41 AM | #867 |
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So much talking about people that aren't even with the Chiefs anymore.
If you love Dorsey, go root for the Browns. He's made a ton of moves and hasn't won crap. John Dorsey is an offseason warrior! |
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We had to wait for the 2nd rounder this year. 4 picks in the top 100 two years in a row will help rebuild the defense.
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And it was Veach that was all over Mahomes, not Dorsey. The most important and transformative pick the Chiefs have ever made, Veach made that happen.
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Dorsey was a LB in the NFL.
Why the **** was he so incapable of finding and drafting a good starting LB during his time in KC? I'm not even asking for a Luke Kuechly. Just somebody we could depend on to play adequate ILB next to or to replace Derrick Johnson. One would think given his expertise as a player that LB would be a position in which he would be able to spot decent talent. Why is it that some coaches/GMs just can't seem to grasp or build up things that are their supposed expertise? John Elway doesn't know QBs. Dorsey doesn't know LBs. Brian Billick could never get a decent offense going in Baltimore. I'm not complaining or trying to shit on Dorsey right now, even. I'm just making an observation about his scouting strengths. |
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