Chiefs ‘Chiefs are a regression candidate in 2018,’ says Washington Post writer

ping2000 · 01-13-2018, 04:18 PM

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It's not fair but Mahomes will either be the "Chosen One" or this thing goes down in flames...

Andy will ruin him. That and our boring ass new offensive coordinator that will learn on the job and suck. Not to mention Pops hasn't been fired so the efense will suck again. All of Andy's former coaches will win before he does. We are the shit hole of the NFL. Yes, I am not optimistic.

**Easy 6** · 01-13-2018, 04:19 PM

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Andy will ruin him. That and our boring ass new offensive coordinator that will learn on the job and suck. Not to mention Pops hasn't been fired so the efense will suck again. All of Andy's former coaches will win before he does. We are the shit hole of the NFL. Yes, I am not optimistic.

St Patrick does NOT bless you

ping2000 · 01-13-2018, 04:30 PM

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St Patrick does NOT bless you

If someone could provide any reason for hope I'd be glad to listen. I'm 52 years old. Tired of waiting. Same shit every year.

**Easy 6** · 01-13-2018, 04:35 PM

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If someone could provide any reason for hope I'd be glad to listen. I'm 52 years old. Tired of waiting. Same shit every year.

I'm only 5 years behind you, and the reason for hope is crystal clear

Never been so sure about a football player for any team, and that is an absolute no hyperbole, straight from the heart take... Mahomes will be the greatest thing that has happened to the Chiefs since the late 60s

Not blowing smoke, no joke... this kid is everything we've been waiting for, I'd bet anything on it

NJChiefsFan · 01-13-2018, 04:41 PM

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Andy will ruin him. That and our boring ass new offensive coordinator that will learn on the job and suck. Not to mention Pops hasn't been fired so the efense will suck again. All of Andy's former coaches will win before he does. We are the shit hole of the NFL. Yes, I am not optimistic.

Andy has his issues and I've been a critic before and will be again. That being said I think we are getting a little extreme with the criticism of him. He isn't without his strengths and QB is one of them. Andy has issues that have held him back but he also has had a lot of success.

I am confident that Andy will develop Mahomes. Hell, i'd argue he already has proven that to be the case. We just may need Mahomes to one day develop Andy a little to get where we need to go.

pugsnotdrugs19 · 01-13-2018, 04:44 PM

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Andy has his issues and I've been a critic before and will be again. That being said I think we are getting a little extreme with the criticism of him. He isn't without his strengths and QB is one of them. Andy has issues that have held him back but he also has had a lot of success.

I am confident that Andy will develop Mahomes. Hell, i'd argue he already has proven that to be the case. We just may need Mahomes to one day develop Andy a little to get where we need to go.

I've heard a couple of podcasts this week talk about the Andy/Mahomes mesh and how it might be just what Andy needs to get the job done. I personally don't blame the game last week on him near as much as many have, but just looking back over the past two decades... I think Andy needs a QB like Pat who will keep the throttle down regardless of the situation. A QB who will take chances by default, whether he should or shouldn't.

It's a perfect marriage in theory. One guy needs someone to reel him in a little, the other needs a QB to let it fly a little more.

DRM08 · 01-13-2018, 04:46 PM

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I've heard a couple of podcasts this week talk about the Andy/Mahomes mesh and how it might be just what Andy needs to get the job done. I personally don't blame the game last week on him near as much as many have, but just looking back over the past two decades... I think Andy needs a QB like Pat who will keep the throttle down regardless of the situation. A QB who will take chances by default, whether he should or shouldn't.

It's a perfect marriage in theory. One guy needs someone to reel him in a little, the other needs a guy to let it fly a little more.

Was just watching some highlights of Micheal Vick and DeSean Jackson with Andy. Mahomes and Hill have potential to be incredible on the deep ball. Mahomes has similar arm to Vick and Tyreek has similar speed to DeSean. Plus it looks like Kelce is a better tight end than the Eagles had at the time. Should be fun to watch!

pugsnotdrugs19 · 01-13-2018, 04:52 PM

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Was just watching some highlights of Micheal Vick and DeSean Jackson with Andy. Mahomes and Hill have potential to be incredible on the deep ball. Mahomes has similar arm to Vick and Tyreek has similar speed to DeSean. Plus it looks like Kelce is a better tight end than the Eagles had at the time. Should be fun to watch!

Andy is one of the great offensive schemers in the history of the league and he has never had the talent at playmaker positions which he will have here in 2018.

Part of it is just the Chiefs homer in me, but I really believe that Patrick and Andy can be the perfect combo for one another. They are exactly what each of them need IMO to reach their ceilings.

DRM08 · 01-13-2018, 04:55 PM

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Andy is one of the great offensive schemers in the history of the league and he has never had the talent at playmaker positions which he will have here in 2018.

Part of it is just the Chiefs homer in me, but I really believe that Patrick and Andy can be the perfect combo for one another. They are exactly what each of them need IMO to reach their ceilings.

Holmgren and Favre. Andy was there and saw it first hand. Only time will tell if Andy and Pat can pull off something similar, but the potential is certainly there. My biggest question with Pat is probably the injury stuff. Needs to learn to protect himself. That's even more important than learning everything else about the NFL.

pugsnotdrugs19 · 01-13-2018, 04:59 PM

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Holmgren and Favre. Andy was there and saw it first hand. Only time will tell if Andy and Pat can pull off something similar, but the potential is certainly there. My biggest question with Pat is probably the injury stuff. Needs to learn to protect himself. That's even more important than learning everything else about the NFL.

Same here. Overall I thought he protected himself better during preseason and the W17 game than he did in college though, just based on the Tech games I reviewed last Spring.

He stopped with that lowering his shoulder nonsense. Often slid very early. He also protected the ball better when running, evidenced on the play that he almost scored a TD on vs. DEN where he actually tucked the ball into his chest before extending to score. He took a lot of hits against Denver merely because the line was so atrocious. I still say Reid should have gave him more help up front that day.

**Easy 6** · 01-13-2018, 04:58 PM

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Andy has his issues and I've been a critic before and will be again. That being said I think we are getting a little extreme with the criticism of him. He isn't without his strengths and QB is one of them. Andy has issues that have held him back but he also has had a lot of success.

I am confident that Andy will develop Mahomes. Hell, i'd argue he already has proven that to be the case. We just may need Mahomes to one day develop Andy a little to get where we need to go.

All of this

I hate his stubborn streak, but he will be a positive in Mahomes development

As I said in a different thread a few days ago... Andy Reid has been waiting on this kid his whole ****ing life

DRM08 · 01-13-2018, 05:04 PM

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All of this

I hate his stubborn streak, but he will be a positive in Mahomes development

As I said in a different thread a few days ago... Andy Reid has been waiting on this kid his whole ****ing life

Not his whole life. He was lucky enough to coach Favre. Donovan McNabb was damn good but not quite the talent of a Favre or Mahomes.

So I would say Andy has been looking for his Favre ever since he left Green Bay for Philly. In terms of playmaking and arm talent, Michael Vick with DeSean Jackson was the closest thing he has seen to Favre since 1999...unfortunately Vick was old by that point and injuries eventually caught up to him.

**Easy 6** · 01-13-2018, 05:10 PM

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Not his whole life. He was lucky enough to coach Favre. Donovan McNabb was damn good but not quite the talent of a Favre or Mahomes.

So I would say Andy has been looking for his Favre ever since he left Green Bay for Philly. In terms of playmaking and arm talent, Michael Vick with DeSean Jackson was the closest thing he has seen to Favre since 1999...unfortunately Vick was old by that point and injuries eventually caught up to him.

As an NFL Head Coach, Andy Reid has never had anyone even close to Pat Mahomes

But yes, he now has HIS Favre... not Mike Holmgrens Favre

Best22 · 01-13-2018, 04:45 PM

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Andy will ruin him. That and our boring ass new offensive coordinator that will learn on the job and suck. Not to mention Pops hasn't been fired so the efense will suck again. All of Andy's former coaches will win before he does. We are the shit hole of the NFL. Yes, I am not optimistic.

Reid won more playoff games in Philly than this pathetic Chiefs franchise has in its entire existence

Andy in Philly: 10 wins
Chiefs since 1960: 9 wins (Reid's wildcard win included)

RaidersOftheCellar · 01-14-2018, 08:47 AM

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Reid won more playoff games in Philly than this pathetic Chiefs franchise has in its entire existence

Andy in Philly: 10 wins
Chiefs since 1960: 9 wins (Reid's wildcard win included)

Yeah, Chiefs fans absolutely need to get off their high horses regarding Reid. He's a damn successful coach and with an elite QB, the sky is the limit.

I swear no one looks beyond the surface when evaluating Reid. They see a couple playoff chokes and want to pin 100% blame on him. Let's forget what he did to GET us those huge leads in those games. If people still haven't figured it out, this team is physically outmatched in the trenches in almost every game. Our QB is always under more pressure than the opposing QB, opposing QBs have all day to pick apart the secondary and their backs have bigger holes to run through. That's not exactly easy to overcome. Yet he often has. He's won what...80% of games in the last 2.5 years? With a physical disadvantage in the trenches in the majority? That's pretty impressive assholes.

The Chiefs built a big lead over the Titans with cleverness and scripted plays. Not by lining up and physically imposing their will. When they run out of scripted trick plays in the 2nd half, it becomes much more difficult vs superior linemen.

Let's also not forget that it took a LOT of pathetic luck, bad calls and flukery to lose the Titans and Colts games. People also tend to forget that this was a freaking 2-14 team the year he arrived. Reid has done very well with what he's had to work with over his career. He could and should have more playoff wins, but there is little reason to doubt they will come.