2014 NFL Combine - Players - The WRs

[OldSchool]

There really is consistency in how they draft. Dorsey is a size-speed ratio guy for pretty much every position. Just look at our previous draft class and it's similar to what he has been a part of drafting before. Big guys who can move and run relatively fast, the smaller they are the faster they have to be. Of course that player has to have good production to go along with the speed/size, but Dorsey does make exceptions and is willing to take chances and a superior physical specimen (Fisher over Joeckel, Knile Davis over every RB that was left, Sanders Commings, small school Catapano, Travis Kelce and his character concerns, etc).

[milkman]

Seems there's some pigeon holing going on with very little samples to hole the pigeon with.

[OldSchool]

Originally Posted by milkman

Seems there's some pigeon holing going on with very little samples to hole the pigeon with.

Nah, I looked at the picks that he was involved with in GB as well. The vast majority of them were very similar to what he did with our picks this year.

[Frosty]

Originally Posted by milkman

Seems there's some pigeon holing going on with very little samples to hole the pigeon with.

Yeah, I don't know how much you can extrapolate from one draft. Dorsey was in GB but he didn't have final say.

[OldSchool]

Originally Posted by Frosty

Yeah, I don't know how much you can extrapolate from one draft. Dorsey was in GB but he didn't have final say.

Still, it says something when he pretty much followed the same trend that they had going in GB. Plus, he was head of their scouting department so he had a ton of influence in who they selected, he just wasn't the one who actually made the final call. Dorsey gets a lot of credit for the players that GB has had success with, Director of College scouting from 2000-2012.

Now that he is making the calls himself, judging from his first year selections, he hasn't deviated from the trend that GB had going. It's not shocking that every player he selected was among the most explosive and athletic at their given positions when they were on the board.

Sanders was arguably the fastest FS prospect in that draft class. No other safety ran a 4.41 at that combine I think. Closest was Earl Wolff with a 4.42.

[Frosty]

Originally Posted by OldSchool

Still, it says something when he pretty much followed the same trend that they had going in GB. Plus, he was head of their scouting department so he had a ton of influence in who they selected, he just wasn't the one who actually made the final call. Dorsey gets a lot of credit for the players that GB has had success with, Director of College scouting from 2000-2012.

Now that he is making the calls himself, judging from his first year selections, he hasn't deviated from the trend that GB had going. It's not shocking that every player he selected was among the most explosive and athletic at their given positions when they were on the board.

Sanders was arguably the fastest FS prospect in that draft class. No other safety ran a 4.41 at that combine I think. Closest was Earl Wolff with a 4.42.

Dorsey did a great job with UDFAs and picking up players off the scrap heap. However, I would feel a little better if the drafted players had been more productive. Hopefully most of it was just due to the injuries and that was just a freak thing.

[OldSchool]

Originally Posted by Frosty

Dorsey did a great job with UDFAs and picking up players off the scrap heap. However, I would feel a little better if the drafted players had been more productive. Hopefully most of it was just due to the injuries and that was just a freak thing.

Yeah, I'm hoping that too. I saw good things from Knile Davis, Catapano, Kush, and Fisher later in the year. The real wildcards are Kelce and Commings. The rest at least showed flashes and improvement in their rookie year.

[OldSchool]

Packers 1st picks spanning from 2005:

2005: Aaron Rodgers, QB, CAL: 6'2", 4.71 40
(2nd round pick was Nick Collins out of Bethune, he ran a 4.36 at 5'11" and 206 pounds)

2006: AJ Hawk, LB, Ohio State: 6'1", 248 pounds, 4.59 40

2007: Justin Harrell, DT, Tenn: 6'4.3", 300 pounds, 5.04 40 with a 1.67 10 yard split

2008: Jordy Nelson, WR, Kansas State: 6'2.5", 217 pounds, 4.51 40 with a 1.50 10 yard split

2009: BJ Raji, DT, Boston College: 6'1.4", 337 pounds, 5.12 40 with a 1.69 10 yard split.

2010: Bryan Bulaga, OT, Iowa: 6'5.3", 315 pounds, 5.20 40 with a 1.78 10-yard split
(His 2nd round pick was a 6'3" DE who weighed 294 pounds and ran a 4.87 40 with a 1.60 10-yard split)

2011: Derek Sherrod, OT, Miss. State: 6'5.3", 321 pounds, 5.18 40 with a 1.81 10-yard split. (2nd round pick was Randall Cobb who we all know is an explosive play-maker)

2012: Nick Perry, OLB/DE, USC: 6'2.6", 271 pounds, 4.55 40 with a 1.51 10-yard split

The majority of the Packers picks consisted of players that were similar to this. Our first draft class was consistent with this as well. I think it's safe to assume that, when it comes down to it, Dorsey actually does value height-speed-weight pretty highly when he is looking at prospects.

[OldSchool]

Not sure if any of you guys have read this article or if it's Q but:

But it's also about the, ahem, "right 53," to coin a favorite Piolism. Which is where Saaty comes in. Or rather, Dorsey and Saaty. Decision Lens produces "decision-making" programs -- in the very simplest of terms, software that applies sabermetrics to the corporate world.

Who's the best leader for this group? What's the best use of our allocated resources? How can we get the most bang for our buck? A system that helps the A's interpret and homogenize their scouting reports could also be used to, say, help determine the next branch manager for a particular firm.

Dorsey was introduced to Saaty's work while acting as director of college scouting with the Green Bay Packers; the club instituted Decision Lens before the 2009 NFL Draft, and came away with defensive tackle B. J. Raji, linebacker Clay Matthews and tackle T.J. Lang in rounds 1 through 4.

"When he was with the Packers, he immediately understood the value of something like this," said Saaty, whose program the Chiefs integrated for the first time this past fall.

Even with a larger-than-expected increase in the salary cap for 2014 -- to roughly $130 million, NFL.com reported -- the Chiefs are projected to have just $6.79 million in cap room to play with, according to projections at OverTheCap.com. After radically overhauling the Kansas City roster last winter and spring, now Dorsey and coach Andy Reid must try to find a way to squeeze back into their skinny jeans again.

"I'm a big believer that you build your team through the draft," Reid told reporters in Indy on Thursday. "Free agency can be a bit of a tease at times, and I think you have to be real careful with it."

The fewer dollars you have to spend, the more particular you have to be with the cash at hand. You need pluggers. Glue guys.

"The kind of guys (in) the draft that are going to be high performers that can get good value," Saaty said. "We currently have a financial analysis tool that says, 'Here you pay this guy and here is what he does against your objectives.'

"How do you blend judgments with metrics? That's really what this is all about."

It's about playing the guitar with your teeth, then lighting it on fire. Now excuse Dorsey while he kisses the sky.

Seems like Dorsey is trying his hand at the NfL's version of moneyball.

[Jakemall]

Originally Posted by OldSchool

Not sure if any of you guys have read this article or if it's Q but:



Seems like Dorsey is trying his hand at the NfL's version of moneyball.

If it works, awesome.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Jakemall

If it works, awesome.

If it doesn't work, it's just being cheap.

[OldSchool]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

If it doesn't work, it's just being cheap.

It's more about trying to maximize your resources vs pinching your pennies.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by OldSchool

It's more about trying to maximize your resources vs pinching your pennies.

It was about maximizing resources in an economic model where some teams are limited financially and others aren't.

Football has revenue sharing and a salary cap. "Moneyball" is a novel concept but that's about it.

[xztop123]

Brandin Cooks set several combine records for quickness at 190 lbs. (meaning hes timing quicker than the midget 170 guys like Mccluster, Tavon Austin, Dri Archer) and he's doing at 20 + pounds heavier.

Freak of nature + I think the first or second best WR stats in NCAA? print please

[OldSchool]

Originally Posted by xztop123

Brandin Cooks set several combine records for quickness at 190 lbs. (meaning hes timing quicker than the midget 170 guys like Mccluster, Tavon Austin, Dri Archer) and he's doing at 20 + pounds heavier.

Freak of nature + I think the first or second best WR stats in NCAA? print please

That's why he's going to the Jets to be their slot guy.