Mitch and Lenny RAVED about Greg Wesley all day - Page 2

Brock · 10-23-2006, 10:07 AM

I dunno what to believe here. They tell me that Wesley is quote playing at a pro bowl level end quote. Is the planet's opinion really that far off from reality?

What's the deal?

stevieray · 10-23-2006, 10:31 AM

Damnit Greg, work on your style points!

jspchief · 10-23-2006, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by stevieray

Damnit Greg, work on your style points!

It has nothing to do with style points, and everything to do with one occasional big play not erasing a lot of bad plays throughout the game.

A RB that has 19 carries for 1 yard each, and 1 carry for 81 yards still gets 100 yards averaging 5 yards per carry. That doesn't mean he had a good game.

ChiefsFanatic · 10-23-2006, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by ZootedGranny

I can't remember the last interception he had that was the result of a strong play on the ball.

I thought he made a really strong move on that INT in Denver.

Hammock Parties · 10-23-2006, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by jspchief

Yea, and the reciever was well into his zone when he curled. It's was Wesley's man at that stage and if the ball had not been overthrown, it would have been a completion. The INT was was one of opportunity, not design.

That's not the way I see it at all, sorry.

Look at the replay from the booth-cam. Wesley was playing the zone perfectly. There's no way he could have covered the receiver. That was the corner's responsiblity, who was in man coverage, not the underneath zone. Wesley is not supposed to abandon his 2-deep responsiblity.

ZootedGranny · 10-23-2006, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by UKMike

Wasn't it him against the Broncos? I thought that was pretty good.

You know what, you're right. I had completely forgotten about it.

jspchief · 10-23-2006, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs

That's not the way I see it at all, sorry.

Look at the replay from the booth-cam. Wesley was playing the zone perfectly. There's no way he could have covered the receiver. That was the corner's responsiblity, who was in man coverage, not the underneath zone. Wesley is not supposed to abandon his 2-deep responsiblity.

You may be right on the responsibility, but I'd like to see the play from the snap and know who the other two Chiefs were there.

It doesn't change the fact that it was an INT of opportunity rather than by anything special that Wesley did... like so many of his INTs.

Hammock Parties · 10-23-2006, 10:48 AM

I agree. But he got the opportunity because he was in position. There's something to be said for that.

The other two Chiefs were Surtain and Walls. Surtain peeled off to the sideline for some strange reason.

Eleazar · 10-23-2006, 10:50 AM

It doesn't look like Wesley screwed up on that play at all. He was where he was supposed to be and the ball came to him.

The player covering the receiver underneath did not release him to the deep safety. He was beaten by the receiver running the route.

Especially with two guys over there, Wesley coming forward and committing to coverage on that man would be stupid. If the other receiver turned up the field he could have given up a touchdown.

Hammock Parties · 10-23-2006, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Cochise

Wesley coming forward and committing to coverage on that man would be stupid. If the other receiver turned up the field he could have given up a touchdown.

Exactly. And we'd all be bitching about it today.

stevieray · 10-23-2006, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by jspchief

You may be right on the responsibility, but I'd like to see the play from the snap and know who the other two Chiefs were there.

It doesn't change the fact that it was an INT of opportunity rather than by anything special that Wesley did... like so many of his INTs.

catching it isn't special? just because a player doesn't always steal the ball from the WR doesn't negate the validity of the INT.

pikesome · 10-23-2006, 10:52 AM

Wesley is good enough that he pisses me off because I know he could do better. The Raider game in KC last year is a good example. He made a weakass attempt at an interception and got booed because we all knew he didn't even try. After that he seemed to give a shit and make a couple good tries and even got one. If he just sucked I don't think people would be quite so down on him, you can't expect Pro-Bowl play from a 3rd string turd. He can be Pro-Bowl player though, when he feels like it/gives a shit, which doesn't seem to happen enough for me.

jspchief · 10-23-2006, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by stevieray

catching it isn't special? just because a player doesn't always steal the ball from the WR doesn't negate the validity of the INT.

OK, that's one INT. Apparently because of that one play, Wesley is playing well. And to be honest, no it's not that special in terms of what it required of him. Every DB in the NFL is expected to make that catch. It's not like he made some incredible play on the ball.

What about the play in the Pittsburgh game where Wesley got torched by Washington?

That's my point. For evey one of those INTs, I can find a similar play where Wesley blew his assignment. He's inconsistent and unreliable. I can look at NFL.om and see stats that paint him as a great safety, but I can also watch the games and see that those stats don't tell the whole story.

He may be better suited for the Cover 2, but IMO he's not done anything this year to make me believe he's notably better than he was last year.

**buddha** · 10-23-2006, 11:04 AM

Laz is correct. Wesley is a decent run support guy, but he is constantly out of position in coverage. I can't count the number of times I see #25 getting burned in the secondary.

Wile_E_Coyote · 10-23-2006, 11:37 AM

There was an article I read this morning, that I can't find now. That Herm & Gun decided to play the starters longer & less rotation. There was to be less Page, Sims & less of Walls rotating with Law & Surtain

jidar · 10-23-2006, 11:41 AM

It's a well known fact that Chiefs Planet is the most optimistic Football forum on the Internet, and we always overrate our players. That being the case I don't see how it's possible that Wesley is better than the Planet said he is.

10-23-2006, 10:07 AM
Brock Say hello to my little friend Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Larryville Casino cash: $9598422	Mitch and Lenny RAVED about Greg Wesley all day I dunno what to believe here. They tell me that Wesley is quote playing at a pro bowl level end quote. Is the planet's opinion really that far off from reality? What's the deal?
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10-23-2006, 10:31 AM	#16
stevieray best in the biz Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Under Pressure Casino cash: $2355273	Damnit Greg, work on your style points!
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10-23-2006, 10:48 AM	#22
Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $4480478	I agree. But he got the opportunity because he was in position. There's something to be said for that. The other two Chiefs were Surtain and Walls. Surtain peeled off to the sideline for some strange reason. __________________ Chiefs game films
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10-23-2006, 10:50 AM	#23
Eleazar Beyond the Rapids Join Date: May 2003 Location: Langley, VA Casino cash: $-370000	It doesn't look like Wesley screwed up on that play at all. He was where he was supposed to be and the ball came to him. The player covering the receiver underneath did not release him to the deep safety. He was beaten by the receiver running the route. Especially with two guys over there, Wesley coming forward and committing to coverage on that man would be stupid. If the other receiver turned up the field he could have given up a touchdown.
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10-23-2006, 10:52 AM	#26
pikesome PEW PEW Join Date: May 2005 Casino cash: $10004900	Wesley is good enough that he pisses me off because I know he could do better. The Raider game in KC last year is a good example. He made a weakass attempt at an interception and got booed because we all knew he didn't even try. After that he seemed to give a shit and make a couple good tries and even got one. If he just sucked I don't think people would be quite so down on him, you can't expect Pro-Bowl play from a 3rd string turd. He can be Pro-Bowl player though, when he feels like it/gives a shit, which doesn't seem to happen enough for me. __________________ 4. Performance enhancing drugs: A) are my ticket to the Hall of Fame. B) would be better if they tasted like fruit and were shaped like various Flintstones characters. C) are not for me, because I find that cocaine aids my performance much more effectively. D) apparently worked for Rodney Harrison.
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10-23-2006, 11:04 AM	#28
buddha You may think you know... Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: California Casino cash: $10006184	Laz is correct. Wesley is a decent run support guy, but he is constantly out of position in coverage. I can't count the number of times I see #25 getting burned in the secondary.
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10-23-2006, 11:37 AM	#29
Wile_E_Coyote avatar down for remodel Join Date: Jul 2001 Casino cash: $10004900	There was an article I read this morning, that I can't find now. That Herm & Gun decided to play the starters longer & less rotation. There was to be less Page, Sims & less of Walls rotating with Law & Surtain
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10-23-2006, 11:41 AM	#30
jidar MVP Join Date: May 2005 Location: a Casino cash: $10004900	It's a well known fact that Chiefs Planet is the most optimistic Football forum on the Internet, and we always overrate our players. That being the case I don't see how it's possible that Wesley is better than the Planet said he is.
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