Chiefs Potential cuts at DL. - Page 2

Direckshun · 02-25-2019, 12:16 PM

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Edge rushers:

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RunKC · 02-25-2019, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Jones isn't a 4-3 DE. He's a 3T.

I think we are going to rotate him there sometimes

Buckweath · 02-25-2019, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by DeepSouth

CB and S are definite needs. I guess part of me is NOT wanting Dee Ford lining up at DE. In my opinion, he's too lite. Plus, I'd like to see O'Daniel start at outside LB. With a 250 pound Ford at DE and 223 pound O'Daniel on the same side, I know where I'd be running the ball if I'm the opponents offensive coordinator. Playing O'Daniel behind a 300 pound Jones would make me much happier.

250 pounds for a speed rusher DE in a 4-3 scheme is not too bad.

I am more concerned with Hitchens repeating that ugly performance of last year despite being paid a high number.

And why couldn't O'Daniel play on Speaks' side?

htismaqe · 02-25-2019, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by DeepSouth

CB and S are definite needs. I guess part of me is NOT wanting Dee Ford lining up at DE. In my opinion, he's too lite. Plus, I'd like to see O'Daniel start at outside LB. With a 250 pound Ford at DE and 223 pound O'Daniel on the same side, I know where I'd be running the ball if I'm the opponents offensive coordinator. Playing O'Daniel behind a 300 pound Jones would make me much happier.

They're dead set on keeping Ford, it would seem, and really the only position he can play is there. There's no way he's a LB in Spags' scheme.

htismaqe · 02-25-2019, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

I think we are going to rotate him there sometimes

Rotate, sure. But we're talking about whether it was worth acquiring Gerald McCoy. Seems like a luxury given the situation the Chiefs have right now.

DeepSouth · 02-25-2019, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

There's no way he's a LB in Spags' scheme.

I agree with that.

DeepSouth · 02-25-2019, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Buckweath

And why couldn't O'Daniel play on Speaks' side?

The LB spot behind Speaks is where I had Houston.

htismaqe · 02-25-2019, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DeepSouth

The LB spot behind Speaks is where I had Houston.

Houston's gone. Neither side seems willing to negotiate a restructure.

smithandrew051 · 02-25-2019, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Houston's gone. Neither side seems willing to negotiate a restructure.

Agreed. If he won’t take a pay cut, he needs to go.

You could let Ford walk to keep Houston, but (since both have an injury history) I’ll take the younger player on the 1 year deal.

If he proves it again, maybe we restructure Ford mid season to a somewhat cap-friendly 3 year deal.

CoMoChief · 02-25-2019, 01:42 PM

Any chance Speaks plays inside?

I just dont think he's quick enough off the edge.....like..at all.

The guy is strong enough I would think. He has the frame to gain 10lbs, which would put him around 290-295ish range.

Buckweath · 02-25-2019, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief

Any chance Speaks plays inside?

I just dont think he's quick enough off the edge.....like..at all.

The guy is strong enough I would think. He has the frame to gain 10lbs, which would put him around 290-295ish range.

He is a 4-3 D-end all day long. That's all pretty much how all scouts viewed him at the draft.

He has similar measurables to Tamba Hali who was a monster in his prime.

CoMoChief · 02-25-2019, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Buckweath

He is a 4-3 D-end all day long. That's all pretty much how all scouts viewed him at the draft.

He has similar measurables to Tamba Hali who was a monster in his prime.

Well if that's the case, I dont think the Chiefs are in any position to move on from Justin Houston, that is if they plan on being competitive on D enough to help win a SB.

Speaks in no way deserves to start anytime soon. Maybe he'll succeed better in this scheme, however i'm not counting on it.

Dunerdr · 02-25-2019, 02:12 PM

It’s cheaper to keep Houston and let ford walk. Fords lighter, a health concern, a one trick pony, and only two years younger than Houston. I’d put Houston at de, he’s better all around and after this season it’s a lot more manageable to walk away from him.

htismaqe · 02-25-2019, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by smithandrew051

Agreed. If he won’t take a pay cut, he needs to go.

You could let Ford walk to keep Houston, but (since both have an injury history) I’ll take the younger player on the 1 year deal.

If he proves it again, maybe we restructure Ford mid season to a somewhat cap-friendly 3 year deal.

If they tag him and he signs it, it becomes guaranteed on July 15th. He can only sign a contract before that day. Once July comes and goes, he's on the tag until the 2020 season starts.

htismaqe · 02-25-2019, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Buckweath

He is a 4-3 D-end all day long. That's all pretty much how all scouts viewed him at the draft.

He has similar measurables to Tamba Hali who was a monster in his prime.

Exactly this.

htismaqe · 02-25-2019, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief

Well if that's the case, I dont think the Chiefs are in any position to move on from Justin Houston, that is if they plan on being competitive on D enough to help win a SB.

Speaks in no way deserves to start anytime soon. Maybe he'll succeed better in this scheme, however i'm not counting on it.

He was standing up at OLB. He never should have been. It was a poor decision by Sutton to begin with.

02-25-2019, 12:16 PM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4203447	Potential cuts at DL. Defensive tackles: Spoiler! Malik Jackson, Jaguars Cap Saved: $11M; Cash Saved: $13M; Dead Money: $4M Jackson saw his role diminish as the year went on finish the year with 61% playtime and just 10 starts. Jackson finished with his lowest sack total since 2014 and tackles and tackles for loss since 2012. Jaguars are starving for cap space and this should be a place they can find it. I wouldn’t expect Jackson to be a free agent for long if he is cut unless he has outrageous contract demands. Corey Liuget, Chargers Cap Saved: $8M; Cash Saved: $8M; Dead Money: $1.5M Liuget took a pretty major pay cut to keep his roster spot last year but appeared in just 6 games due to his suspension and then a torn quad which put him on IR. Technically this will be a declined option and the decision date I believe is February 12. Timmy Jernigan, Eagles Cap Saved: $7M; Cash Saved: $11M; Dead Money: $6M Jernigan missed most of last season with a non football injury that was serious enough that he agreed to waive his future guarantees in order to keep his spot last year. This was always a very bullish type of contract and given the Eagles cap situation Jernigan should be a prime candidate for release or at the very least a reduced contract. Marcel Dareus, Jaguars Cap Saved: $10.59M; Cash Saved: $10.59M; Dead Money: $0 One of the all time great players contracts of all time Dareus has basically cashed in at elite interior pass rusher levels despite really not standing out as a rusher. Dareus actually played well for the Jaguars as a run stopper but even elite level run stoppers earn closer to $6 or 7M. I wouldn’t eliminate a new deal for less money but the Jaguars need to save money here. Stacy McGee, Redskins Cap Saved: $2.28M; Cash Saved: $4M; Dead Money: $2.4M The Redskins signed McGee in 2017 to a pretty surprising $5 million per year contract. Last year he began the season on the PUP list and finished with 9 tackles and 1 sack in 8 games. It isn’t a lot of cap savings but every little bit should help for Washington. Gerald McCoy, Buccaneers Cap Saved: $13M; Cash Saved: $13M; Dead Money: $0 This has been rumored since seasons end so I am including him here even though McCoy is still a really good player. Moving him seems to be more about saving money than anything else. With three years left on his contract at around $13M per year McCoy should have trade value if the Bucs are patient and wait for a bit. Hes a shade older than Geno Atkins and Jurrell Casey but Id think a new deal would fall between those two and they are over $15M a year so a trade makes sense. Edge rushers: Spoiler! Olivier Vernon, Giants Cap Saved: $11.5M; Cash Saved: $15.5M; Dead Money: $8M Vernon was the biggest signing in the Giants 2016 spending spree and hasn’t been healthy enough to really justify the contract. Vernon is still a capable player and will likely land a $10 million a year type contract when released, but it makes more sense for the Giants to move on and allow him to get a fresh start elsewhere rather than try to bring his salary down for the season. William Gholston, Buccaneers Cap Saved: $3.75M; Cash Saved: $3.75M; Dead Money: $0 Not sure what the Bucs expected out of Gholston when they signed him but Im sure it was more than 40% playtime, 1 sack, and 5 tackles for loss in two seasons. Vinny Curry, Buccaneers Cap Saved: $8M; Cash Saved: $8M; Dead Money: $0 Curry signing with the Bucs last season at this price was one of the more surprising moves. Outside of one season the sack production has never been there with Curry and really his best time is when he is playing far less snaps. You don’t pay $8 million for someone who is probably a 30% playtime, 3 sack player, especially if you are a team that needs to create cap space. Andre Branch, Dolphins Cap Saved: $7M; Cash Saved: $7M; Dead Money: $2M This contract was a bit of a stretch the minute it was signed and a classic example of putting far too much stock in one season. Branch played in less than 50% of the snaps last year and finished with just 1.5 sacks. Robert Quinn, Dolphins Cap Saved: $12.9M; Cash Saved: $12.9M; Dead Money: $0 If Miami is serious about taking a step back this year then Quinn should not be in their plans. Quinn has tailed off from his peak years as a pass rusher but can still be effective as a starter, but he probably doesn’t have trade value at this salary unless a team is able to reach terms on an extension. Justin Houston, Chiefs Cap Saved: $14M; Cash Saved: $15.5M; Dead Money: $7.1M Even though Houston has not produced at an elite level after signing this contract this was a pretty solid deal, all things considered. Houston is similar to Vernon in that there are injury considerations here, a massive cap figure, and over priced salary while also having a market if cut. Unlike with Vernon where the sides are probably better apart I think here the sides agree on a new contract that brings Houston’s cap and cash number down by a few million.
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02-25-2019, 02:12 PM	#27
Dunerdr MVP Join Date: Oct 2012 Casino cash: $2209677	It’s cheaper to keep Houston and let ford walk. Fords lighter, a health concern, a one trick pony, and only two years younger than Houston. I’d put Houston at de, he’s better all around and after this season it’s a lot more manageable to walk away from him. __________________ Adopt-A-Chief- Rachel Santschi
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