Let’s revisit Chris Jones

[RunKC]

Okay, so we know this guy wants Frank Clark money. We wanted him to take Fletcher Cox money.

It’s a contract year from him and here is what he has done through about half the season:

2 sacks
8 tackles
2 TFL
7 QB hits

He’s hurt again, which I believe is his 3rd injury since being here. Fortunately none of them are major.

So, do you try to resign this guy for Fletcher Cox money ($18 million AAV-cap rise means more due to %) or do you trade him?

If you want to trade him, what do you expect his market to be if he only gets 4 sacks this season?

[Flying High D]

Maybe get a 2nd that was wasted on Frankie.

[Toad]

Jones is a good tag and trade candidate. If they don’t receive a min 1st round offer, then he plays on the tag for a year (or 2).

[MIAdragon]

Originally Posted by Toad

Jones is a good tag and trade candidate. If they don’t receive a min 1st round offer, then he plays on the tag for a year (or 2).

He won’t play on the tag.

[Toad]

Originally Posted by MIAdragon

He won’t play on the tag.

That would be his option of course, but no one knows that for sure.

[ModSocks]

This team isn't in a position to trade away 1 of only 2 players that have done anything worth a shit on defense.

TALENT WINS GAMES.

Stop trying to trade away talent.

You'd think ya'll mother****ers would learn this shit by now.

[ModSocks]

You wanted a defense with a bunch of JAGS all offseason and now you got it. And now you wanna trade away one of 2 guys that isn't a shitter?



Seriously, ya'll never ****ing learn. Never.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

You wanted a defense with a bunch of JAGS all offseason and now you got it. And now you wanna trade away one of 2 guys that isn't a shitter?



Seriously, ya'll never ****ing learn. Never.

Eric Berry
Justin Houston
Frank Clark

That’s who we paid big money to and look at what happened? There’s a whole other side to this.

[dannybcaitlyn]

I’m paying the man. Too much talent!

[ModSocks]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Eric Berry
Justin Houston
Frank Clark

That’s who we paid big money to and look at what happened? There’s a whole other side to this.

Eric Berry and Justin Houston gave you All-Pro seasons, and in their prime gave you a premier defense.

You can't just be gun shy about paying elite players.

Every time this argument comes up i say the same shit. And ya'll essentially argue that we should have a team full of JAGS.

Well here's your defense full of JAGS. Enjoy.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

Eric Berry and Justin Houston gave you All-Pro seasons, and in their prime gave you a premier defense.

You can't just be gun shy about paying elite players.

Every time this argument comes up i say the same shit. And ya'll essentially argue that we should have a team full of JAGS.

Well here's your defense full of JAGS. Enjoy.

Their best years were in contract seasons. Didn’t do anything once they got paid.

And yes an older banged up Chris Jones scares the shit out of me. He’s been hurt in 2 of 3 playoff games.

I’m okay paying him, but it has to protect us. It needs to be something like 4 years with most of the guaranteed $$ up front with a way out after 2 years.

[Buehler445]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

You wanted a defense with a bunch of JAGS all offseason and now you got it. And now you wanna trade away one of 2 guys that isn't a shitter?



Seriously, ya'll never ****ing learn. Never.

I need 11 guys that can play. Not 4 stars and 7 Phillip Gaines.

[ModSocks]

Originally Posted by Buehler445

I need 11 guys that can play. Not 4 stars and 7 Phillip Gaines.

It's apparently difficult to even find 2 guys that can play.

Gutting the talent is not the solution. It doesn't make you just happen to find guys.

You need guys you can depend on week by week. Chris Jones has basically given you a sack every goddamn game he's played in since the start of last season.

Then you build around those kind of guys.

[Buehler445]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

It's apparently difficult to even find 2 guys that can play.

Gutting the talent is not the solution. It doesn't make you just happen to find guys.

You need guys you can depend on week by week. Chris Jones has basically given you a sack every goddamn game he's played in since the start of last season.

Then you build around those kind of guys.

All that sounds good. And normally I’d agree. But if you’d give me the choice between like or 2016 defense that had a shitload of names but wasn’t very productive or 11 no name guys that can play I’m taking the no namers.

I just have trouble paying dudes not named mahomes at the top of the market. Jones comes down a little bit and I’m all over that like stink on shit.

[ModSocks]

Originally Posted by Buehler445

All that sounds good. And normally I’d agree. But if you’d give me the choice between like or 2016 defense that had a shitload of names but wasn’t very productive or 11 no name guys that can play I’m taking the no namers.

I just have trouble paying dudes not named mahomes at the top of the market. Jones comes down a little bit and I’m all over that like stink on shit.

Here's the problem, 11-no name guys that can play isn't a thing. That's not real. It's pure fiction.

When you put 11- no name guys on a defense you get a really, really shitty defense more often than not.

Right now you are witnessing a defense with 9-no name guys who everyone here was piping all off-season as being "good enough".

When you have talent you do your best to maintain those guys and you build around them. When you completely nuke a roster and start from scratch with a bunch of JAGS you get the 2019 Chiefs defense.