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Old 07-17-2012, 11:45 AM  
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How does Dwayne Bowe rank among the elite WR's?
Sorry, didn't want this getting overlooked in the other thread. Then again, people will probably ignore it anyway - I know some of you will appreciate this.


I keep seeing people say that Dwayne Bowe isn't an elite WR. So I decided to do some research to see how he matches up statistically over his 5 years in the league.

What I found, is that statistically, Bowe is the 10th best WR of the last 5 years.

I found 9 other WR's that either had better yardage totals, better TD numbers or both. He was 10th in yardage, tied for 6th in TD's.

Here's the list. (Yardage/TD's) Bolded players have fewer or same TD's as Bowe.


Larry Fitzgerald - 6480/49

Roddy White - 6422/42

Reggie Wayne - 6234/36

Wes Welker - 6105/31

Calvin Johnson - 5872/49

Andre Johnson - 5703/35

Greg Jennings - 5539/46

Steve Smith - 5353/29

Marques Colston - 5202/40

Dwayne Bowe - 4927/36


Personally, I think that's impressive on its own.

Especially when you consider the only guy on this list who is younger is Megatron. I'd be curious to see how he matches up to the same players during each of their first 5 seasons.

Anyway, when you compare Bowe's number's to the #1 yardage and #1 TD's - he's not nearly as far off as it seems.

It comes down to 19.41 yard a game, and .16 TD's per game.

Factor in that Bowe is missing something the other 9 have - solid QB play.

After looking at this, its hard for me to say Dwayne Bowe is NOT an elite WR, considering how his numbers match up to the "elite" and never having the benefit of decent QB play.

I'm pretty confident in saying that with solid QB play, Bowe would easily make up 19.41 yards and .16 TD's a game.

Like him or not, he's an elite WR - and has shown it over his 5 years in the league.

Dude deserved elite money.

Or, tl;dr - **** him.

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Old 07-18-2012, 04:46 PM   #736
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We're 29th/26th in pass attempts, and Bowe gets 1,200 yards.

You don't think he can get 300 more in a pass heavy offense? With a QB who isn't dogshit/22nd/completes less than 60 percent
Based on the "yards per target" stats I posted last night:

If the Chiefs threw as much as the Saints in 2010, 1558/20.

If the Chiefs threw as much as the Lions in 2010, 1496/19.
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Old 07-18-2012, 04:46 PM   #737
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Did you not see the part where I said WHO GIVES A SHIT?

Calvin Johnson posted garbage time stats too! I guess Bowe's at the same level he is! Right?

Holy lord.
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Old 07-18-2012, 04:47 PM   #738
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Pretty sure no one is rationalizing not keeping him. People are rationalizing not paying him Fitzgerald money. But go ahead and see/read what you want.
Why do you care if he gets Fitz money? What difference does that possibly make to any fan? The cap, which doesn't really exist?

This should be one of those rare subjects when Chiefs fans are largely in agreement with each other. Bowe is really ****ing good, and it's really ****ing important for the team to keep him.

But some of us are really concerned with Clark's money.
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I meant by his own fanbase.
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Why do you care if he gets Fitz money? What difference does that possibly make to any fan? The cap, which doesn't really exist?

This should be one of those rare subjects when Chiefs fans are largely in agreement with each other. Bowe is really ****ing good, and it's really ****ing important for the team to keep him.

But some of us are really concerned with Clark's money.
Maybe because I like the Chiefs and overpaying for players doesn't benefit the Chiefs. It only benefits the players. I want the Chiefs to be a good, consistent contender for years to come. I don't want the Chiefs to get handicapped by terrible contracts and be the ****ing Dallas Cowboys.

Bowe is going to be in KC this year. He's primed to get tagged again next season as well. He's not going anywhere so why are you crying about him not being here?
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Holy crap!

The dumbassery in this thread is off the charts.

Lets run off one of the best WRs the Chiefs have ever had.
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Something else I've learned - better yet, confirmed - in this thread:

This fanbase has no ****ing clue how the salary cap works.
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Old 07-18-2012, 04:52 PM   #743
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I meant by his own fanbase.
Oh that? I couldnt tell you. I don't really care about how much money we give him. I want him on the team long term.
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Calvin Johnson posted garbage time stats too! I guess Bowe's at the same level he is! Right?

Holy lord.
That's just it, though: They aren't garbage time stats. What Bowe did in his first two years was legit. He wasn't padding his numbers against prevent defenses.

And if you broke it down game by game for Megatron like I did for Bowe, you can probably argue the same thing.
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Maybe because I like the Chiefs and overpaying for players doesn't benefit the Chiefs. It only benefits the players. I want the Chiefs to be a good, consistent contender for years to come. I don't want the Chiefs to get handicapped by terrible contracts and be the ****ing Dallas Cowboys.

Bowe is going to be in KC this year. He's primed to get tagged again next season as well. He's not going anywhere so why are you crying about him not being here?
Not getting a deal done leaves open the distinct possibility of having far less flexibility with the cap next season, thereby putting us in position, potentially, to lose high-quality players.

And you're worried about becoming the Cowboys? The same organization that has had exponentially more success than the Chiefs for the last 20 something years? The same organization that just swiped, arguably, our best CB?
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Something else I've learned - better yet, confirmed - in this thread:

This fanbase has no ****ing clue how the salary cap works.
Admittedly, Its not something I know a lot about.

That's most fans.
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Even IF we were in the mythical "cap hell," we'd have most of our team locked up anyway.

It's not like we have a lot of glaring holes to fill.
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Not getting a deal done leaves open the distinct possibility of having far less flexibility with the cap next season, thereby putting us in position, potentially, to lose high-quality players.

And you're worried about becoming the Cowboys? The same organization that has had exponentially more success than the Chiefs for the last 20 something years? The same organization that just swiped, arguably, our best CB?
I don't give a shit about the last 20 years. When was the last time the Cowboys were relevant. All they do is go out and pay big name players. What has it gotten them?
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Something else I've learned - better yet, confirmed - in this thread:

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As opposed to other fan bases.
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