*****OFFICIAL 2017 Saccopoo NFL Mock Draft Thread*****

[RealSNR]

START DATE AND TIME: March 20th, noon central

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Round 1
1. Cleveland - Rain Man - Myles Garrett, DE, Texas A&M
2. San Francisco - DJ's left nut - Marshon Lattimore, CB, Ohio State
3. Chicago - chiefscafan - Jamal Adams, S, LSU
4. Jacksonville - Hoover - Solomon Thomas, DE, Stanford
5. Tennessee (from LA Rams) - chiefscafan - Jonathan Allen, DE, Alabama
6. New York Jets - BigMeatballBillay - Malik Hooker, S, Ohio State
7. LA Chargers - kccrow - Reuben Foster, ILB, Alabama
8. Carolina - CleveSteve - Leonard Fournette, RB, LSU
9. Cincinnati - TambaBerry - O.J. Howard,TE, Alabama
10. Buffalo - Marco Polo - Mike Williams, WR, Clemson
11. New Orleans - staylor26 - John Ross, WR, Washington
12. Cleveland (from Philadelphia) - Rain Man - Mitchell Trubisky, QB, UNC
13. Arizona - Direckshun - Deshaun Watson, QB, Clemson
14. Philadelphia (from Minnesota) - BossChief - Dalvin Cook, RB, Florida State
15. Indianapolis - ChiefAshhole1056 - Haason Reddick, LB, Temple
16. Baltimore - Sfeihc - Corey Davis, WR, Western Michigan
17. Washington - Sfeihc - Jabrill Peppers, Do it all type ****, Michigan
18. Tennessee - chiefscafan - Zach Cunningham , ILB, Vanderbilt
19. Tampa Bay - CleveSteve - Cam Robinson, OT, Alabama
20. Denver - DJ's left nut - Ryan Ramczyk, OT, Wisconsin
21. Detroit - TambaBerry - Marlon Humphrey, CB, Alabama
22. Miami - Direckshun - Malik McDowell, DT, Michigan State
23. New York Giants - O.City - David Njoku, TE, Miami
24. Oakland - staylor26 - Caleb Brantley, DT, Florida
25. Houston - ChiefAshhole1056 - Garett Bolles, OT, Utah
26. Seattle - kccrow - Fabian Moreau, CB, UCLA
27. Kansas City - BossChief - Pat Mahomes II, QB, Texas Tech
28. Dallas - Marco Polo - Derek Barnett, DE/OLB, Tennessee
29. Green Bay - BigMeatballBillay - TJ Watt, DE/OLB, Wisconsin
30. Pittsburgh - RealSNR - Carl Lawson, DE/OLB, Auburn
31. Atlanta - Hoover - Taco Charlton, DE, Michigan
32. New Orleans (from New England) - staylor26 - Takkarist McKinley, DE, UCLA

Round 2
33. Cleveland - Rain Man - Budda Baker, FS, Washington
34. San Francisco - DJ's left nut - Christian McCaffrey, RB, Stanford
35. Jacksonville - Hoover - Forrest Lamp, G, Western Kentucky
36. Chicago - chiefscafan - DeShone Kizer, QB, Notre Dame
37. LA Rams - O.City - Curtis Samuel, WR, Ohio State
38. LA Chargers - kccrow - Obi Melifonwu, S, Connecticut
39. New York Jets - BigMeatballBillay - Alvin Kamara, RB, Tennessee
40. Carolina - CleveSteve - Tre'Davious White, CB/S, LSU
41. Cincinnati - TambaBerry - Jordan Willis DE Kansas State
42. New Orleans - staylor26 - Gareon Conley, CB, Ohio State
43. Philadelphia - BossChief - Adoree' Jackson, CB, USC
44. Buffalo - Marco Polo - Teez Tabor, CB, Florida
45. Arizona - Direckshun - Cordrea Tankersly, CB, Clemson
46. Indianapolis - ChiefAshhole1056 - Kevin King, CB, Washington
47. Baltimore - Sfeihc - Charles Harris, DE/OLB, Missouri
48. Minnesota - RealSNR - Dan Feeney, OG, Indiana
49. Washington - Sfeihc - Raekwon McMillan, LB, Ohio State
50. Tampa Bay - CleveSteve - Evan Engram, TE, Ole Miss
51. Denver - DJ's left nut - Sidney Jones, CB, Washington
52. Cleveland (from Tennessee) - Rain Man - Pat Elflein, C, Ohio State
53. Detroit - TambaBerry - Jarrad Davis, LB, Florida
54. Miami - Direckshun - Duke Riley, LB, LSU
55. New York Giants - O.City - D'onta Foreman RB, Texas
56. Oakland - staylor26 - Joe Mixon, RB, Oklahoma
57. Houston - ChiefAshhole1056 - Davis Webb, QB, California
58. Seattle - kccrow - Antonio Garcia, OT, Troy
59. Kansas City - BossChief - Tim Williams, DE/OLB, Alabama
60. Dallas - Marco Polo - Jourdan Lewis, CB, Michigan
61. Green Bay - BigMeatballBillay - Quincy Wilson, CB, Florida
62. Pittsburgh - RealSNR - Adam Shaheen, TE, Ashland
63. Atlanta - Hoover - Montravius Adams, DT, Auburn
64. Carolina (from New England) - CleveSteve - Roderick Johnson, OT, Florida State

Round 3
65. Cleveland - Rain Man - Ryan Anderson, OLB, Alabama
66. San Francisco - DJ's left nut - Zay Jones, WR, Eastern Carolina
67. Chicago - chiefscafan - Dawuane Smoot, OLB/DE, Illinois
68. Jacksonville - Hoover - Desmond King, CB, Iowa
69. LA Rams - O.City - Gerald Everett, TE South Alabama
70. New York Jets - BigMeatballBillay - Nate Peterman, QB, Pittsburgh
71. LA Chargers - kccrow - Dion Dawkins, OT/G, Temple
72. New England (from Carolina) - Rain Man - Josh Jones, S, North Carolina State
73. Cincinnati - TambaBerry - Chidobe Awuzie, CB, Colorado
74. Philadelphia - BossChief - Chris Wormley, DE/DT, Michigan
75. Buffalo - Marco Polo - Dalvin Tomlinson, DT, Alabama
76. New Orleans - staylor26 - Bucky Hodges, TE, Virginia Tech
77. Arizona - Direckshun - Chris Godwin, WR, Penn State
78. Baltimore - Sfeihc - Dorian Johnson, OG, Pittsburgh
79. Minnesota - RealSNR - Isaac Asiata, OG, Utah
80. Indianapolis - ChiefAshhole1056 - Demarcus Walker, DE, Florida State
81. Washington - Sfeihc - Taylor Moton, OG/OT, Western Michigan
82. Denver - DJ's left nut - Jaleel Johnson, NT, Iowa
83. Tennessee - chiefscafan - Tanoh Kpassagnon, DE, Villanova
84. Tampa Bay - CleveSteve - Vincent Taylor, DT, Oklahoma State
85. Detroit - TambaBerry - Juju Smith-Schuster, WR, USC
86. Minnesota (from Miami Dolphins) - RealSNR - Ahkello Witherspoon, CB, Colorado
87. New York Giants - O.City - Jarron Jones, DT, Notre Dame
88. Oakland - staylor26 - Justin Evans, S, Texas A&M
89. Houston - ChiefAshhole1056 - Carlos Watkins, DL, Clemson
90. Seattle - kccrow - Tyus Bowser, OLB, Houston
91. Kansas City - BossChief - Marcus Williams, S, Utah
92. Dallas - Marco Polo - Dede Westbrook, WR, Oklahoma
93. Green Bay - BigMeatballBillay - Kareem Hunt, RB, Toledo
94. Pittsburgh - RealSNR - Jalen Myrick, CB, Minnesota
95. Atlanta - Hoover - Ethan Pocic, C, LSU
96. New England - Rain Man - Cooper Kupp, WR, Eastern Washington
97. Miami - Direckshun - Danny Isidora, OG, Miami
98. Carolina - CleveSteve - Daeshon Hall, DE, Texas A&M
99. Baltimore - Sfeihc - ArDarius Stewart, WR, Alabama
100. Tennessee (from LA Rams) - chiefscafan - Eddie Jackson, S/CB, Alabama
101. Denver - DJ's left nut - Derek Rivers, DE/OLB, Youngstown State
102. Seattle - kccrow - Larry Ogunjobi, DT, Charlotte
103. New Orleans (from New England) - staylor26 - Joe Mathis, DE/OLB, Washington
104. Kansas City - BossChief - Rasul Douglas, CB, West Virginia
105. Pittsburgh - RealSNR - Davon Godchaux, DT, LSU
106. Seattle - kccrow - Will Holden, OT, Vanderbilt
107. New York Jets - BigMeatballBillay - Jake Butt, TE, Michigan

Round 4
108. Cleveland - Rain Man - Samaje Perine, RB, Oklahoma
109. San Francisco - DJ's left nut - Tarell Basham, DE/OLB, Ohio
110. Jacksonville - Hoover - Cameron Sutton, CB, Tennessee
111. Chicago - chiefscafan - Devonte Fields, DE/OLB, Louisville
112. LA Rams - O.City - Trey Hendrickson, Jeez/OLB, Florida Atlantic
113. LA Chargers - kccrow - Shaquill Griffin, CB, Central Florida
114. Washington (from New York Jets) - Sfeihc - Damontae Kazee, CB, San Diego State
115. Carolina - CleveSteve - Rayshawn Jenkins, S, Miami
116. Cincinnati - TambaBerry - Charles Walker, DT, Oklahoma
117. Chicago (from Buffalo) - chiefscafan - Isiah Ford, WR, Virginia Tech
118. Philadelphia - BossChief - Corn Elder, CB, Miami
119. Arizona - Direckshun - Nico Siragusa, OG, San Diego State
120. Minnesota - RealSNR - Elijah Qualls, DT, Washington
121. Indianapolis - ChiefAshhole1056 - Marcus Maye, Safety, Florida
122. Baltimore - Sfeihc - Taylor Orlosky, C, WVU
123. Washington - Sfeihc - Amara Darboh, WR, Michigan
124. Tennessee - chiefscafan - Stacy Coley, WR, Miami
125. Tampa Bay - CleveSteve - John Johnson, S, Boston College
126. Denver - DJ's left nut - Alex Anzalone, LB, Florida
127. Detroit - TambaBerry - Wayne Gallman, RB, Clemson
128. Minnesota (from Miami) - RealSNR - Marlon Mack, RB, South Florida
129. Oakland - staylor26 - Carlos Henderson, WR, Louisiana Tech
130. Houston - ChiefAshhole1056 - Anthony Walker, ILB, Northwestern
131. New England (from Seattle) - Rain Man - James Conner, RB, Pittsburgh
132. Kansas City - BossChief - Eddie Vanderdoes, DT, UCLA
133. Dallas - Marco Polo - George Kittle, TE, Iowa
134. Green Bay - BigMeatballBillay - Malachi Dupre, WR, LSU
135. Pittsburgh - RealSNR - Taywan Taylor, WR, Western Kentucky
136. Atlanta - Hoover - Jordan Leggett, TE, Clemson
137. Indianapolis (from New England) - ChiefAshhole1056 - Jeremy McNichols, RB, Boise State
138. Cincinnati - TambaBerry - Jalen Reeves-Maybin, LB, Tennessee
139. Philadelphia (from Cleveland) - BossChief - Jermaine Eluemunor, OT, Texas A&M
140. New York Giants - O.City - Elijah Lee, LB, Kansas State
141. LA Rams - O.City - Damore'ea Stringfellow, WR, Ole Miss
142. Houston (from Cleveland) - ChiefAshhole1056 - Josh Reynolds, WR, Texas A&M
143. San Francisco - DJ's left nut - Kendell Beckwith, ILB, LSU
144. Indianapolis - ChiefAshhole1056 - Adam Bisnowaty, OT, Pittsburgh

Round 5
145. Cleveland - Rain Man - Jeremy Sprinkle, TE, Arkansas
146. San Francisco - DJ's left nut - Brad Kaaya, QB, Miami
147. Chicago Bears - chiefscafan - Robert Davis, WR Georgia State
148. Jacksonville - Hoover - J.J. Dielman, G, Utah
149. LA Rams - O.City - Leon McQuay III, S, USC
150. New York Jets - BigMeatballBillay- Isaac Rochell, DL, Notre Dame
151. LA Chargers - kccrow - Kenny Golladay, WR, Northern Illinois
152. Carolina - CleveSteve - Ryan Switzer, WR, North Carolina
153. Cincinnati - TambaBerry - John Toth, C, Kentucky
154. Washington (from New Orleans) - Sfeihc - Howard Wilson, CB, Houston
155. Philadelphia - BossChief - Noah Brown, WR, Ohio State
156. Buffalo - Marco Polo - Chad Hansen, WR, California
157. Arizona - Direckshun - Nazair Jones, DT, North Carolina
158. Indianapolis - ChiefAshhole1056 - Carroll Phillips, OLB, Illinois
159. Baltimore - Sfeihc - Brian Hill, RB, Wyoming
160. Minnesota - RealSNR - Tedric Thompson, S, Colorado
161. San Francisco (from Washington) - DJ's left nut - Julie'n Davenport, OT, Buffalo
162. Tampa Bay - CleveSteve - Amba Etta-Tawo, WR, Syracuse
163. New England (from Denver) - Rain Man - Ejuan Price, LB, Pittsburgh
164. Tennessee - chiefscafan - Brendan Langley, CB Lamar
165. Detroit - TambaBerry - Jerod Evans, QB, Virginia Tech
166. Miami - Direckshun - Xavier Woods, S, Louisiana Tech
167. New York Giants - O.City - Zach Banner, OT, USC
168. Oakland - staylor26 - Tanner Vallejo, LB, Boise State
169. Houston Texans - ChiefAshhole1056 - Jonnu Smith, TE, FIU
170. Kansas City - BossChief - Blair Brown, ILB, Ohio
171. Buffalo (from Dallas) - Marco Polo - Erik Magnuson, OT, Michigan
172. Green Bay - BigMeatballBillay - Samson Ebukam,OLB, Eastern Washington
173. Pittsburgh - RealSNR - Connor Harris, ILB, Lindenwood
174. Atlanta - Hoover - Fred Ross, WR, Mississippi State
175. Cleveland (from New England) - Rain Man - Aviante Collins, OT, TCU
176. Cincinnati - TambaBerry - Fish Smithson, S, Kansas
177. Denver - DJ's left nut - Chad Wheeler, OT, USC
178. Miami - Direckshun - Conor McDermott, OT, UCLA
179. Arizona - Direckshun - Ben Gedeon, ILB, Michigan
180. Kansas City - BossChief - Mack Hollins, WR, North Carolina
181. Cleveland - Rain Man - Ryan Glasgow, DT, Michigan
182. Green Bay - BigMeatballBillay - David Jones, S, Richmond
183. New England - Rain Man - Ifeadi Odenigbo, DE, Northwestern
184. Miami - Direckshun - Marquez White, CB, Florida State

Round 6
185. Cleveland - Rain Man - William Likely, CB, Maryland
186. Baltimore (from San Francisco) - Sfeihc - Deatrich Wise Jr., DE, Arkansas
187. Jacksonville - Hoover - Michael Roberts, TE, Toledo
188. Cleveland (from Houston through Chicago) - Rain Man - Travis Rudolph, WR, Florida State
189. LA Rams - O.City - Corey Clement, RB Wisconsin
190. LA Chargers - kccrow - Hunter Dimick, DE, Utah
191. New York Jets - BigMeatballBillay - Grover Stewart, NT, Albany State
192. Carolina - CleveSteve - Jordan Evans, LB, Oklahoma
193. Cincinnati - TambaBerry - Tanzel Smart, DT, Tulane
194. Philadelphia - BossChief - Nathan Gerry, S, Nebraska
195. Buffalo - Marco Polo - CJ Beathard, QB, Iowa
196. New Orleans - staylor26 - Josh Harvey-Clemons, S, Louisville
197. Arizona - Direckshun - Dylan Cole, ILB, Missouri State
198. San Francisco (from Baltimore) - DJ's left nut - Zane Gonzalez, K, Arizona State
199. Minnesota - RealSNR - Antony Auclair, TE, Laval (Canada)
200. New England (from Indianapolis) - Rain Man - Cole Hikutini, TE, Louisville
201. Washington - Sfeihc - Josh Dobbs, QB, Tennessee
202. San Francisco (from Denver) - DJ's left nut - Shelton Gibson, WR, West Virginia
203. Denver (from Tennessee) - DJ's left nut - Jamaal Williams, RB, BYU
204. Tampa Bay - CleveSteve - Elijah McGuire, RB, Louisiana - Lafayette
205. Detroit - TambaBerry - Riley Bullough, LB, Michigan State
206. Miami - Direckshun - Jake Elliott, K, Memphis
207. New York Giants - O.City - Larry Allen Jr, G, Harvard
208. Oakland - staylor26 - Brian Allen, CB, Utah
209. Washington (from Houston) - Sfeihc - Stevie Tu'ikolovatu, DL, USC
210. Seattle - kccrow - Josh Malone, WR, Tennessee
211. Dallas - Marco Polo - Matt Milano, LB, Boston College
212. Green Bay - BigMeatballBillay - Jadar Johnson, S, Clemson
213. Pittsburgh - RealSNR - Avery Moss, DE/OLB, Youngstown State
214. Tennesse (from Atlanta) - chiefscafan - Ricky Seals-Jones , WR Texas A&M
215. Detroit (from New England) - TambaBerry - Najee Murray, CB, Kent State
216. Kansas City - BossChief - Joe Williams, RB, Utah
217. Cincinnati - TambaBerry - Jordan Morgan, OG, Kutztown
218. Kansas City - BossChief - Ethan Cooper, OL, Indiana, PA

Round 7
219. San Francisco (from Cleveland) - DJ's left nut - David Sharpe, G, Florida
220. Washington (from San Francisco) - Sfeihc - Aaron Jones, RB, UTEP
221. Chicago - chiefscafan - Ben Boulware, LB, Clemson
222. Jacksonville - Hoover - Travin Dural, WR, LSU
223. Miami (from LA Rams) - Direckshun - Deante Gray, WR, TCU
224. New York Jets - BigMeatballBillay - De'Von Smith, RB, Michigan
225. LA Chargers - kccrow - Chad Kelly, QB, Ole Miss
226. Seattle (from Carolina) - kccrow - Damarius Travis, SS, Minnesota
227. Cincinnati - TambaBerry - Isaiah Mckenzie, WR, Georgia
228. Dallas (from Buffalo) - Marco Polo - Jessamen Dunker, OG, Tennessee State
229. New Orleans - staylor26 - T.J. Logan, RB, North Carolina
230. Philadelphia - BossChief - Chase Roullier, OL, Wyoming
231. Arizona - Direckshun - Trevor Knight, QB, Texas A&M
232. Minnesota - RealSNR - Nate Hairston, CB, Temple
233. Carolina (from Indianapolis through Cleveland) - CleveSteve - Ishmael Zamora, WR, Baylor
234. LA Rams (from Baltimore) - O.City - DJ Jones, NT, Ole Miss
235. Washington - Sfeihc - Kenny Allen, P, Michigan
236. Tennessee - chiefscafan - Chad Williams, WR, Grambling State
237. Tampa Bay - CleveSteve - Vince Biegel, LB, Wisconsin
238. Denver - DJ's left nut - Darrell Daniels, TE, Washington
239. New England (from Detroit) - Rain Man - Lorenzo Jerome, S, St. Francis
240. Miami - Direckshun - Harvey Langi, ILB, Brigham Young
241. New York Giants - O.City - Delano Hill, FS, Michigan
242. Oakland - staylor26 - Bryan Cox Jr., DE, Florida
243. Houston - ChiefAshhole1056 - Matt Dayes, RB, NC State
244. Oakland (from Seattle) - staylor26 - Dan Skipper, OT, Arkansas
245. Kansas City - BossChief - Austin Rehkow, P/K, Idaho
246. Dallas - Marco Polo - Austin Carr, WR, Northwestern
247. Green Bay - BigMeatballBillay - Cethan Carter, TE, Nebraska
248. Pittsburgh - RealSNR - Donnel Pumphrey, RB, San Diego State
249. Atlanta - Hoover - Montae Nicholson, S, Michigan State
250. Detroit (from New England) - TambaBerry - Cameron Tom, C, Southern Mississippi
251. Cincinnati - TambaBerry - KD Cannon, WR, Baylor
252. Denver Broncos - DJ's left nut - Zach Pascal, WR, Old Dominion
253. Denver Broncos - DJ's left nut - Jayon Brown, LB, UCLA

[O.city]

Someone pm the next guy for me

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by Hoover

This draft is insane.

I hope Dorsey goes all defense.

You don't like Cleveland's Myles Garrett pick?

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Hoover

This draft is insane.

I hope Dorsey goes all defense.

It really is.

I loved Boss's Tim Williams pick but 50 picks later the 49ers still have a guy on their board that has equal NFL potential to him with Basham (IMO). I thought the 49ers Lattimore pick was completely defensible at #2 overall but then 50 picks later a similar guy in Quincy Wilson goes off the board.

I love Zach Cunningham but I think there's a guy that's just a tick behind him still on the board (the guy that Boss really should've picked with his comp, but I digress).

This draft is just absurdly deep and I don't see a ton separating them. It's a scouts draft, to be sure. If you have an outstanding scouting department and a little bit of luck, you could wreck this draft.

[chiefscafan]

That is who I was deciding between good pick o city

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by O.city

The Rams need offense in a bad way, specifically ol. But I'm making an o.city pick here. I thi k this dude is sleeperish, probably a round early.

Trey Hendrickson FAU

Does he have a position?

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by Pestilence

Does he have a position?

He supports the Affordable Care Act and is against terrorism.

[Hoover]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

He supports the Affordable Care Act and is against terrorism.

Nobody supports the Affordable Care Act you idiot.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by Pestilence

Yeah...I think that was the perfect spot to go RB.

I didn't see the upside in any of the RBs that are available for the draft value of a third round pick.

KC has contracts coming up for Gaines and then Nelson, so trying to get a corner with high upside this year was something I went into the draft knowing was a need.

I guess getting the guy that lead the NCAA in interceptions and has the size the scheme demands was a nice option and one I ended up going with.

No regrets.

6 more picks to go for KC.

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by Hoover

Nobody supports the Affordable Care Act you idiot.

I think it covers pre-existing concussion conditions.

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by BossChief

I didn't see the upside in any of the RBs that are available for the draft value of a third round pick.

KC has contracts coming up for Gaines and then Nelson, so trying to get a corner with high upside this year was something I went into the draft knowing was a need.

I guess getting the guy that lead the NCAA in interceptions and has the size the scheme demands was a nice option and one I ended up going with.

No regrets.

6 more picks to go for KC.

Cleveland saw Samaje Perine's biceps at the combine and figured he was worth at least a fourth.

[kccrow]

The Los Angeles Chargers select Shaquill Griffin, CB, Central Florida

[Direckshun]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

I think it covers pre-existing concussion conditions.

[Sfeihc]

The Washington Redskins select Damontae Kazee, CB, SDSU.

[CleveSteve]

With the 115th pick in the 2017 CP Mock Draft,

The Carolina Panthers select Raaaaayyyyyshaaaaaaawwwwnnn Jeeenkiiiiinnnnnnns!, Safety, Miami



Safety is seen as a huge hole in the Panthers defense, and in Jenkins they get a high energy, hard-hitting combo safety from the U. He struggled with injuries in his college career but is a big solid guy who is always around the ball and makes an impact on the game. His SS playing style from the FS position will complement former FS Kurt Coleman who was moved to a less familiar SS role with Carolina last year.

[Rain Man]

Oh, my god. He just ran in and drafted him.