Chiefs Pioli Deserves Props

Hoover · 04-29-2012, 09:12 AM

The NFL draft is a lot like Christmas morning. There is a lot of anticipation leading up to the big day, and when the time finally arrives to see what’s under the tree for us we can sometimes be a little disappointed.

We all remember the Christmas that we got everything we wanted. For Chiefs fans that was last year. We got a QB, WR, DBs, and LBs. Heck we even liked the more practical gifts like a Rodney Hudson. Frankly, the 2011 draft gave us a lot to play with, and we used them.

After a big year like 2011, some of you seem down. Sure we got the big present we always talk about (NT), but its’ not as cool as we thought it would be. We also ended up with some more practical gifts than we expected.

Here is how I view this draft, and to be honest I’m pretty stoked about it.

After having a draft like we did in 2011 where we seemed to hit on almost every pick, it wasn’t necessary for the Chiefs to snag additional pass rushers to sit behind guys like Hali and Houston. While we are still a little shallow when it comes to the safety position and could use some depth at center, the Chiefs are well positioned. In fact, I think the practicality of the 2012 Chiefs draft will allow them the flexibility in future drafts to aggressively seek out play makers to add to this team.

If there is one thing that I think Pioli deserves credit for, it’s rebuilding the Chiefs offensive live. While Albert was already hear when he arrived, Pioli not only filled a glaring hole at RT when he signed Eric Winston, but his last three drafts has set the Chiefs on a course to maintain a quality offensive line for years to come.

Many on this board recoiled at any suggestion that the Chiefs should use their first round pick on a lineman. After all the heated debates about the value of DeCastro, Pioli seems to agree with those who don’t want to invest first round picks on the line. Maybe instead of bitching that we didn’t have the Steelers’ draft, some of you should praise Pioli for doing exactly what you advocated for.

In the last three years, Pioli has taken four offensive linemen in the 2nd and 3rd rounds of the draft. Asamoah and Hudson are now starters. Jeff Allen is going to push Ryan Lilja for a starting spot at guard, but is more likely to be seasoned for a year before finding a permanent home on the life. I know it’s sometimes hard to get excited about the offensive line, but Pioli obviously has a process that seems to be working really well.

Picking back-to-back tackles isn’t as exciting as drafting guys like Justin Houston or Javier Arenas, but it feeds a system that can produce quality linemen that allows the Chiefs not use first round picks on offensive tackles, guards, or centers. It also means that the Chiefs will not be forced to commit free agent dollars on those positions either.

We are lucky to have landed Winston this offseason. Without him there would probably be no Poe. I like how Pioli is building this team. While I continue to be frustrated about Cassel, finding a franchise QB is never easy. We have had three solid drafts under Pioli and we can already see the results. Yes we need to find a QB, but at least we are building a strong team while we continue to look for him.

Hammock Parties · 04-29-2012, 09:15 AM

Pioli doesn't deserve shit until he delivers a playoff win.

LiveSteam · 04-29-2012, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Satanic Goat

Pioli doesn't deserve shit until he delivers a playoff win or has Matt Cassels baby .

Hog's Gone Fishin · 04-29-2012, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Satanic Goat

Pioli doesn't deserve shit until he delivers a playoff win.

It's coming . If we can stay healthy this year we shall kick Peyton Mannings ass (Crennel knows how), win the AFCW and be a legit challenger to win the AFC.

Wait. Theres Cassel.

Nevermind!

Thunder1boss · 04-29-2012, 01:32 PM

If we're healthy, I think Cassel can manage the games without screwing it up...With talent around him....He can do it...the key is STAYING healthy. and even THIS time, we have some quality backups at skill positions!

chiefzilla1501 · 04-29-2012, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Thunder1boss

If we're healthy, I think Cassel can manage the games without screwing it up...With talent around him....He can do it...the key is STAYING healthy. and even THIS time, we have some quality backups at skill positions!

The problem is that this team has become so good around him especially with Charles on offense that we pass "squeaking by" as being good, when in fact any average QB could come in and do Cassel's job a whole lot better. The defense is basically handing Cassel the keys to a productive season, and Cassel is doing everything he can to steer the car into the tree.

GoHuge · 04-29-2012, 04:07 PM

I'm on record as saying I don't think Cassel is the long-term future or the guy taking is to the Super Bowl on his shoulders............but a big shocker right?

Try and look at Scott Pioli's position regarding Cassell OBJECTIVELY in the 2011 Draft and the two weeks after the lockout if at all possible through your hate. I don't get everyone bitching and moaning about Pioli being a dipshit for not getting an OBVIOUSLY better replacement for Cassel starting in 2011 right after the lockout ended. He was coming off that 27-7 season (for the haters we'll just call it an aberration to keep things relatively sane) so why should Pioli have been looking for his immediate replacement coming off a season like that?

From the Pioli and the Chiefs perspective and to almost everyone else that was considered a good year. "Our QB played exactly the way we asked him to and he had a 4 to 1 TD/INT ratio, but man this piece of shit has got to go NOW!!! Damn Pioli all to hell for not making that priority #1!!! I mean especially with all the free agents available to choose from!! You had the superstars Matt HasselbecK and Alex Smith..........not sure how they stopped themselves from jumping on one if not both of these sure things!!

Moving up in the 2011 draft was the only way they could have gotten to a decent QB prospect in the first which were two guys named Jake Locker and Gabbert..........which neither did jack shit but look terrible. You can say they should have picked Andy Dalton with their first pick, but lets be honest. Nobody in the NFL knew he was the 2nd best QB in the draft last year or he wouldn't have been passed over 22 times after Ponder was picked at 12. Not to mention...........this place would have melted down if we picked him at 26 or at our original spot before trading down. Nobody was all over Dalton to be our guy and if you say you were than you are lying. Those were the opportunities the Chiefs had to upgrade a 27-7 guy in 2011.

We saw he went backwards last year when he lost two of his biggest weapons in Charles and TM. With that teams weren't afraid of the run and Cassel did nothing to really help himself out too much. Just being objective here......our line last year was shit, we couldn't run the ball for shit, Run DMC, Battle, and Thomas Jones weren't really making teams respect the run, Baldwin couldn't get on the field, and Bowe was his only legit target. Again not saying Cassel helped himself in any way.

Replacement options for Cassel in 2012. Free agents: Manning......never considered us. Matt Flynn........never a starter. Kyle Orton........didn't want to be here or try and compete for the starting job.

The rest:
Rex Grossman (WAS)
Donovan McNabb (MIN)
Jason Campbell (OAK)
Chris Redman (ATL)
Derek Anderson (CAR)
Caleb Hanie (CHI)
Josh McCown (CHI)
Shaun Hill (DET)
Drew Stanton (DET)
Brady Quinn (DEN)
David Garrard (FA)
Chad Pennington (FA)
Jake Delhomme (HOU)
Jeff Garcia (HOU)
Dan Orlovsky (IND)
Luke McCown (JAC)
Chad Henne (MIA)
JP Losman (MIA)
Sage Rosenfels (MIA)
David Carr (NYG)
Mark Brunell (NYJ)
Kevin O'Connell (NYJ)
Kyle Boller (OAK)
Vince Young (PHI)
Charlie Batch (PIT)
Dennis Dixon (PIT)
Byron Leftwich (PIT)
Charlie Whitehurst (SEA)
Kellen Clemens (STL)
A.J. Feeley (STL)
Josh Johnson (TB)
Richard Bartel (ARZ) - Restricted
Max Hall (ARZ) - Exclusive Rights
Tyler Palko (KC) - Restricted
Brian Hoyer (NE) - Restricted
Chase Daniel (NO) - Restricted

We decided to pluck Quinn out of the group. See any other game changers on that list we missed?

Lets see in the draft we had a shot to move up and take on the experiment of Ryan Tannehill which everyone would have been pissed about. Could have moved up 21-22 spots back into the 1st round to take on the Branden Weeden project. I can deal with Poe at 11 because he has all the physical skills you could possibly hope for and quite possibly has the biggest upside of anyone in the draft. It's quite another to mortgage any part of your future on guys that are questions marks that probably won't be starting much if any at all in their first year.

So in the last two years who were the "available no question slam dunks" to come in and replace Cassel and give us a better chance to win on opening day this year?

Not a Cassel hater/supporter. Just asking the question.........who is the guy the Chiefs should have brought in directly after Cassel's 2010, 27-7 TD/INT AFC West Championship season? It's clear to everyone that after a season like that priority #1 should be getting him shipped out of town ASAP and the Chiefs blew it. Who should the savior be/have been to replace that trash?

I listed all the available options..........so who was the magic bullet the Chiefs screwed up on and didn't get?

**BigRedChief** · 04-29-2012, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Satanic Goat

Pioli doesn't deserve shit until he delivers a playoff win.

If we would have won one more game last year. We would have beaten Pitt at Arrowhead. We could have won several games last year. We are not that far away due to the quality of the division.

Hammock Parties · 04-29-2012, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

If we would have won one more game last year. We would have beaten Pitt at Arrowhead. We could have won several games last year. We are not that far away due to the quality of the division.

If only we could play the NFC West every year!

Epic Fail 007 · 04-29-2012, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Satanic Goat

Pioli doesn't deserve shit until he delivers a playoff win.

oh yes because we all know pioli plays on the field. you idiot.

**BigMeatballDave** · 04-29-2012, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by eric007

oh yes because we all know pioli plays on the field. you idiot.

Do you even get what the purpose of a GM is?

BoneKrusher · 04-29-2012, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by eric007

oh yes because we all know pioli plays on the field. you idiot.

you're right, he don't play on the field but Matt Cassel does, and Pioli traded for him.

**bevischief** · 04-29-2012, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Satanic Goat

Pioli doesn't deserve shit until he delivers a playoff win.

A superbowl fixed.

Hammock Parties · 04-29-2012, 09:18 AM

Only if he dies in childbirth.

BoneKrusher · 04-29-2012, 09:18 AM

Pioli and Cassel both suck.
just not sure which sucks more yet.

04-29-2012, 09:12 AM	Topic Starter
Hoover Rufus Dawes Jr. Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $1668179	Pioli Deserves Props The NFL draft is a lot like Christmas morning. There is a lot of anticipation leading up to the big day, and when the time finally arrives to see what’s under the tree for us we can sometimes be a little disappointed. We all remember the Christmas that we got everything we wanted. For Chiefs fans that was last year. We got a QB, WR, DBs, and LBs. Heck we even liked the more practical gifts like a Rodney Hudson. Frankly, the 2011 draft gave us a lot to play with, and we used them. After a big year like 2011, some of you seem down. Sure we got the big present we always talk about (NT), but its’ not as cool as we thought it would be. We also ended up with some more practical gifts than we expected. Here is how I view this draft, and to be honest I’m pretty stoked about it. After having a draft like we did in 2011 where we seemed to hit on almost every pick, it wasn’t necessary for the Chiefs to snag additional pass rushers to sit behind guys like Hali and Houston. While we are still a little shallow when it comes to the safety position and could use some depth at center, the Chiefs are well positioned. In fact, I think the practicality of the 2012 Chiefs draft will allow them the flexibility in future drafts to aggressively seek out play makers to add to this team. If there is one thing that I think Pioli deserves credit for, it’s rebuilding the Chiefs offensive live. While Albert was already hear when he arrived, Pioli not only filled a glaring hole at RT when he signed Eric Winston, but his last three drafts has set the Chiefs on a course to maintain a quality offensive line for years to come. Many on this board recoiled at any suggestion that the Chiefs should use their first round pick on a lineman. After all the heated debates about the value of DeCastro, Pioli seems to agree with those who don’t want to invest first round picks on the line. Maybe instead of bitching that we didn’t have the Steelers’ draft, some of you should praise Pioli for doing exactly what you advocated for. In the last three years, Pioli has taken four offensive linemen in the 2nd and 3rd rounds of the draft. Asamoah and Hudson are now starters. Jeff Allen is going to push Ryan Lilja for a starting spot at guard, but is more likely to be seasoned for a year before finding a permanent home on the life. I know it’s sometimes hard to get excited about the offensive line, but Pioli obviously has a process that seems to be working really well. Picking back-to-back tackles isn’t as exciting as drafting guys like Justin Houston or Javier Arenas, but it feeds a system that can produce quality linemen that allows the Chiefs not use first round picks on offensive tackles, guards, or centers. It also means that the Chiefs will not be forced to commit free agent dollars on those positions either. We are lucky to have landed Winston this offseason. Without him there would probably be no Poe. I like how Pioli is building this team. While I continue to be frustrated about Cassel, finding a franchise QB is never easy. We have had three solid drafts under Pioli and we can already see the results. Yes we need to find a QB, but at least we are building a strong team while we continue to look for him.
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Thunder1boss Starter Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Virginia Casino cash: $10004900	If we're healthy, I think Cassel can manage the games without screwing it up...With talent around him....He can do it...the key is STAYING healthy. and even THIS time, we have some quality backups at skill positions!
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04-29-2012, 04:07 PM	#7
GoHuge The Truth Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Overland Park Casino cash: $10006072	I'm on record as saying I don't think Cassel is the long-term future or the guy taking is to the Super Bowl on his shoulders............but a big shocker right? Try and look at Scott Pioli's position regarding Cassell OBJECTIVELY in the 2011 Draft and the two weeks after the lockout if at all possible through your hate. I don't get everyone bitching and moaning about Pioli being a dipshit for not getting an OBVIOUSLY better replacement for Cassel starting in 2011 right after the lockout ended. He was coming off that 27-7 season (for the haters we'll just call it an aberration to keep things relatively sane) so why should Pioli have been looking for his immediate replacement coming off a season like that? From the Pioli and the Chiefs perspective and to almost everyone else that was considered a good year. "Our QB played exactly the way we asked him to and he had a 4 to 1 TD/INT ratio, but man this piece of shit has got to go NOW!!! Damn Pioli all to hell for not making that priority #1!!! I mean especially with all the free agents available to choose from!! You had the superstars Matt HasselbecK and Alex Smith..........not sure how they stopped themselves from jumping on one if not both of these sure things!! Moving up in the 2011 draft was the only way they could have gotten to a decent QB prospect in the first which were two guys named Jake Locker and Gabbert..........which neither did jack shit but look terrible. You can say they should have picked Andy Dalton with their first pick, but lets be honest. Nobody in the NFL knew he was the 2nd best QB in the draft last year or he wouldn't have been passed over 22 times after Ponder was picked at 12. Not to mention...........this place would have melted down if we picked him at 26 or at our original spot before trading down. Nobody was all over Dalton to be our guy and if you say you were than you are lying. Those were the opportunities the Chiefs had to upgrade a 27-7 guy in 2011. We saw he went backwards last year when he lost two of his biggest weapons in Charles and TM. With that teams weren't afraid of the run and Cassel did nothing to really help himself out too much. Just being objective here......our line last year was shit, we couldn't run the ball for shit, Run DMC, Battle, and Thomas Jones weren't really making teams respect the run, Baldwin couldn't get on the field, and Bowe was his only legit target. Again not saying Cassel helped himself in any way. Replacement options for Cassel in 2012. Free agents: Manning......never considered us. Matt Flynn........never a starter. Kyle Orton........didn't want to be here or try and compete for the starting job. The rest: Rex Grossman (WAS) Donovan McNabb (MIN) Jason Campbell (OAK) Chris Redman (ATL) Derek Anderson (CAR) Caleb Hanie (CHI) Josh McCown (CHI) Shaun Hill (DET) Drew Stanton (DET) Brady Quinn (DEN) David Garrard (FA) Chad Pennington (FA) Jake Delhomme (HOU) Jeff Garcia (HOU) Dan Orlovsky (IND) Luke McCown (JAC) Chad Henne (MIA) JP Losman (MIA) Sage Rosenfels (MIA) David Carr (NYG) Mark Brunell (NYJ) Kevin O'Connell (NYJ) Kyle Boller (OAK) Vince Young (PHI) Charlie Batch (PIT) Dennis Dixon (PIT) Byron Leftwich (PIT) Charlie Whitehurst (SEA) Kellen Clemens (STL) A.J. Feeley (STL) Josh Johnson (TB) Richard Bartel (ARZ) - Restricted Max Hall (ARZ) - Exclusive Rights Tyler Palko (KC) - Restricted Brian Hoyer (NE) - Restricted Chase Daniel (NO) - Restricted We decided to pluck Quinn out of the group. See any other game changers on that list we missed? Lets see in the draft we had a shot to move up and take on the experiment of Ryan Tannehill which everyone would have been pissed about. Could have moved up 21-22 spots back into the 1st round to take on the Branden Weeden project. I can deal with Poe at 11 because he has all the physical skills you could possibly hope for and quite possibly has the biggest upside of anyone in the draft. It's quite another to mortgage any part of your future on guys that are questions marks that probably won't be starting much if any at all in their first year. So in the last two years who were the "available no question slam dunks" to come in and replace Cassel and give us a better chance to win on opening day this year? Not a Cassel hater/supporter. Just asking the question.........who is the guy the Chiefs should have brought in directly after Cassel's 2010, 27-7 TD/INT AFC West Championship season? It's clear to everyone that after a season like that priority #1 should be getting him shipped out of town ASAP and the Chiefs blew it. Who should the savior be/have been to replace that trash? I listed all the available options..........so who was the magic bullet the Chiefs screwed up on and didn't get?
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04-29-2012, 09:18 AM	#15
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