Pioli Deserves Props

[Hoover]

The NFL draft is a lot like Christmas morning. There is a lot of anticipation leading up to the big day, and when the time finally arrives to see what’s under the tree for us we can sometimes be a little disappointed.

We all remember the Christmas that we got everything we wanted. For Chiefs fans that was last year. We got a QB, WR, DBs, and LBs. Heck we even liked the more practical gifts like a Rodney Hudson. Frankly, the 2011 draft gave us a lot to play with, and we used them.

After a big year like 2011, some of you seem down. Sure we got the big present we always talk about (NT), but its’ not as cool as we thought it would be. We also ended up with some more practical gifts than we expected.

Here is how I view this draft, and to be honest I’m pretty stoked about it.

After having a draft like we did in 2011 where we seemed to hit on almost every pick, it wasn’t necessary for the Chiefs to snag additional pass rushers to sit behind guys like Hali and Houston. While we are still a little shallow when it comes to the safety position and could use some depth at center, the Chiefs are well positioned. In fact, I think the practicality of the 2012 Chiefs draft will allow them the flexibility in future drafts to aggressively seek out play makers to add to this team.

If there is one thing that I think Pioli deserves credit for, it’s rebuilding the Chiefs offensive live. While Albert was already hear when he arrived, Pioli not only filled a glaring hole at RT when he signed Eric Winston, but his last three drafts has set the Chiefs on a course to maintain a quality offensive line for years to come.

Many on this board recoiled at any suggestion that the Chiefs should use their first round pick on a lineman. After all the heated debates about the value of DeCastro, Pioli seems to agree with those who don’t want to invest first round picks on the line. Maybe instead of bitching that we didn’t have the Steelers’ draft, some of you should praise Pioli for doing exactly what you advocated for.

In the last three years, Pioli has taken four offensive linemen in the 2nd and 3rd rounds of the draft. Asamoah and Hudson are now starters. Jeff Allen is going to push Ryan Lilja for a starting spot at guard, but is more likely to be seasoned for a year before finding a permanent home on the life. I know it’s sometimes hard to get excited about the offensive line, but Pioli obviously has a process that seems to be working really well.

Picking back-to-back tackles isn’t as exciting as drafting guys like Justin Houston or Javier Arenas, but it feeds a system that can produce quality linemen that allows the Chiefs not use first round picks on offensive tackles, guards, or centers. It also means that the Chiefs will not be forced to commit free agent dollars on those positions either.

We are lucky to have landed Winston this offseason. Without him there would probably be no Poe. I like how Pioli is building this team. While I continue to be frustrated about Cassel, finding a franchise QB is never easy. We have had three solid drafts under Pioli and we can already see the results. Yes we need to find a QB, but at least we are building a strong team while we continue to look for him.

[BoneKrusher]

lets count all the things Pioli's done to deserve props.

1. Traded For Castle
2. Drafted T Jack
3. Hired Haley
4. Let Orton Walk (not a Franchise QB but better than anyone we have on the roster)
5. Drafted Poe when he should have worked a trade to at least get the third best QB in this years draft.

yeah Pioli deserves mucho props, if it wasnt form Herms great draft of 08 he would have been fired already.

[Quesadilla Joe]

Poe was the only pick that made sense when you consider the needs the Chiefs have. The only other thing Pioli could have done was trade up for a Barron, Kuechly, or Tannehill.

Yeah Poe didn't have a lot of production but from everything I have heard about him he is a high effort player for a guy his size and he has all the tools to be an elite 3-4 NT. Poe was well worth the 11th pick in the draft IMO.

[J Diddy]

Originally Posted by Satanic Goat

The Poe pick is honestly a complete ****ing abortion and no one should be defending it right now.

You don't pick players with shit production at #11. You just ****ing don't. It's reeruned as hell.

Right now it feels like we drafted Poe because the idiot in charge ignored NT for 3 years, and he backed himself into a corner, and reached.

**** that pick. And this is coming from someone who defended Tyson Jackson for a season.

I see your concern, however, is a nt going to see a lot of statistical production? Is anybody going to be successful being moved all over the place and asked to fit in, rather than play to his strengths?

IMO, they felt they needed a big strong body to play at the weakest position of the defense. They went and got him. Obviously I think that trading down to get him would have been ideal, but I, nor you, don't know if that was a possibility. Obviously they felt if they moved they couldn't get him.

I can't fault that.

[O.city]

Poe fit the criteria they have for a NT. Big, strong, great athleticism, great lateral movement.



Now we will see if it translates.

[J Diddy]

Originally Posted by Cassel>Manning

Poe was the only pick that made sense when you consider the needs the Chiefs have. The only other thing Pioli could have done was trade up for a Barron, Kuechly, or Tannehill.

Yeah Poe didn't have a lot of production but from everything I have heard about him he is a high effort player for a guy his size and he has all the tools to be an elite 3-4 NT. Poe was well worth the 11th pick in the draft IMO.

Yes. You definitely can't knock a guys motor who plays every down on a crap team and all over the place as well.

[milkman]

There's 2 picks that I actually like in this draft.

Menzi and Gray.

Beyond that, the rest are guys that are head scratchers, at best.

I think Jeff Allen has potential, but keneche Osemele would have been a better pick.

Donald Stephenson has huge potential, but Bobbie Massie would have been a better pick for the immediate needs of this team.

Poe is a huge question mark.

[TimeForWasp]

A good thing about this. Once we get a replacement for Cassel, The pieces will be in place to help him succeed. I'm hoping Stanzi beefed up in the off season and comes in and makes his presence known.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by SNR

I don't care about positions or any of that other shit. Pioli wants to draft all fatties? Fine.

Just draft some good ones for ****'s sake. Not guys that have "backup potential".

I don't think anybody they drafted in the first 3 rounds were drafted just be backups. Maybe this year with the OL but Poe will start this year. Both OL were drafted right where future starting guards etc...should be drafted.

Who were we going to draft after round 1 that was going to be a starter? What position outside of FB and NT (QB off the table as we know) do we have legitimate openings for a starter now after the off season pick up of Winston, Boss etc...?

The starting 22 is pretty much set barring injury and the skill positions have backups for the most part, our whole draft was going to be for depth after Poe.

[Chiefshrink]

Originally Posted by Hoover

The NFL draft is a lot like Christmas morning. There is a lot of anticipation leading up to the big day, and when the time finally arrives to see what’s under the tree for us we can sometimes be a little disappointed.

We all remember the Christmas that we got everything we wanted. For Chiefs fans that was last year. We got a QB, WR, DBs, and LBs. Heck we even liked the more practical gifts like a Rodney Hudson. Frankly, the 2011 draft gave us a lot to play with, and we used them.

After a big year like 2011, some of you seem down. Sure we got the big present we always talk about (NT), but its’ not as cool as we thought it would be. We also ended up with some more practical gifts than we expected.

Here is how I view this draft, and to be honest I’m pretty stoked about it.

After having a draft like we did in 2011 where we seemed to hit on almost every pick, it wasn’t necessary for the Chiefs to snag additional pass rushers to sit behind guys like Hali and Houston. While we are still a little shallow when it comes to the safety position and could use some depth at center, the Chiefs are well positioned. In fact, I think the practicality of the 2012 Chiefs draft will allow them the flexibility in future drafts to aggressively seek out play makers to add to this team.

If there is one thing that I think Pioli deserves credit for, it’s rebuilding the Chiefs offensive live. While Albert was already hear when he arrived, Pioli not only filled a glaring hole at RT when he signed Eric Winston, but his last three drafts has set the Chiefs on a course to maintain a quality offensive line for years to come.

Many on this board recoiled at any suggestion that the Chiefs should use their first round pick on a lineman. After all the heated debates about the value of DeCastro, Pioli seems to agree with those who don’t want to invest first round picks on the line. Maybe instead of bitching that we didn’t have the Steelers’ draft, some of you should praise Pioli for doing exactly what you advocated for.

In the last three years, Pioli has taken four offensive linemen in the 2nd and 3rd rounds of the draft. Asamoah and Hudson are now starters. Jeff Allen is going to push Ryan Lilja for a starting spot at guard, but is more likely to be seasoned for a year before finding a permanent home on the life. I know it’s sometimes hard to get excited about the offensive line, but Pioli obviously has a process that seems to be working really well.

Picking back-to-back tackles isn’t as exciting as drafting guys like Justin Houston or Javier Arenas, but it feeds a system that can produce quality linemen that allows the Chiefs not use first round picks on offensive tackles, guards, or centers. It also means that the Chiefs will not be forced to commit free agent dollars on those positions either.

We are lucky to have landed Winston this offseason. Without him there would probably be no Poe. I like how Pioli is building this team. While I continue to be frustrated about Cassel, finding a franchise QB is never easy. We have had three solid drafts under Pioli and we can already see the results. Yes we need to find a QB, but at least we are building a strong team while we continue to look for him.

Excellent perspective Hoov !! And I agree thoroughly ! We will be grateful as all get out in 2-3yrs when we have an even better O and D lines with our QBOTF hitting his stride(Stanzi)

[kczoo]

I like your attitude. Most everyone on here is a smartass, incompetent, unknowledgeable "chiefs fan". I dint post much because replies are from dumbasses saying, you spelled a word wrong; Christ.........idiots. Good read, good tude. Open the gates, let the peasants in.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by milkman

There's 2 picks that I actually like in this draft.

Menzi and Gray.

Beyond that, the rest are guys that are head scratchers, at best.

I think Jeff Allen has potential, but keneche Osemele would have been a better pick.

Donald Stephenson has huge potential, but Bobbie Massie would have been a better pick for the immediate needs of this team.

Poe is a huge question mark.

I actually thought the same things Milk.


But something had to be wrong with Massie for him to slide that far. And I don't think they really viewed Osemele as a zone guy.


I think the mayocks and kipers of the world who grade these guys throw peoples views of drafts off. Obviously, what Mayock and Kiper had people graded as, scouts didn't agree on some guys.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by SNR

You want to draft a WR in the 4th round? Fine. How about you draft a guy who's not a white brokedick piece of shit?

With most of this draft I was fine. You can't expect every player to turn into a stud, but you can draft so that every player (or nearly every player) has some good things going for him.

Last year, I think every single player except for Shane Bannan (a freakin 7th rounder) had good things going for him. It wouldn't be shocking if all of them didn't work out, but at least every single guy had an elite quality about him.

This year, we took Allen, Menzie, Gray, and Hemingway. Stephonson, Wylie, and Long were abortions. If the Poe pick works out, then the draft is a success. However, I give small odds (no more than 35%)

It's why lots of people aren't giving up or hopeless. They're just disappointed.

I don't know that we can call them abortions. Allen could potentially be a starter at a key position and you can see Menzie playing some kind of a role. What you have to like about picks like Stephenson and Wylie is that they're depth picks, but they're based a lot more on potential than they are on making an immediate impact. For a Left Tackle, I care a lot about having fast feet and many seem to point out that he has some of the best in this class. Boom/bust guy. Wylie is a guy who probably won't see the field anytime soon, but you have to like his raw athletic ability. Hemingway and Long are your run-of-the-mill late round guys.

It wasn't a sexy draft, but once again, you could see probably about 5 of these guys not just making the roster, but earning a roster spot. And there's some potential boom that a few of these guys could be quality starters in 3 years. I'd give the draft a B, but yeah, the nature of the later picks makes this entire thing ride on Poe.

[J Diddy]

Originally Posted by BoneKrusher

lets count all the things Pioli's done to deserve props.

1. Traded For Castle
2. Drafted T Jack
3. Hired Haley
4. Let Orton Walk (not a Franchise QB but better than anyone we have on the roster)
5. Drafted Poe when he should have worked a trade to at least get the third best QB in this years draft.

yeah Pioli deserves mucho props, if it wasnt form Herms great draft of 08 he would have been fired already.

1. Although it hasn't worked out, it could be worse. We could still have Thigpen at QB
2. Jackson is starting to play well. Everything I've read about d lineman confirms that it takes some time.
3. Haley was a bold move. He was a young OC from a Superbowl team. Complaining about this cracks me up.
4. Your love for Orton is duly noted. However, outside of those 3 games what has Orton shown. Orton is Matt Cassel
5. A move that would have taken a lot of picks to pull. Tbh, you're upset that we didn't throw away a bunch of picks to move up and take a quarterback who has only started a handful of games in college. and you're upset about the trade for cassel?

[J Diddy]

Originally Posted by milkman

There's 2 picks that I actually like in this draft.

Menzi and Gray.

Beyond that, the rest are guys that are head scratchers, at best.

I think Jeff Allen has potential, but keneche Osemele would have been a better pick.

Donald Stephenson has huge potential, but Bobbie Massie would have been a better pick for the immediate needs of this team.

Poe is a huge question mark.

IMO, it's a bold boom or bust move. Poe is either going to be a super star or will be out of the league. He's got the motor and he's got the physical attributes, we'll see how it pans out.

[ThatRaceCardGuy]

Pioli is fail unless he proves other wise. Any GM who refuses to acknowledge the Aids abortion which is Cassell needs to hit the bricks. The fact he resigned all of Carl and Herm`s picks is great..good job dip shit for doing what should of obviously been done. Now , what has done himself? Barry is the only solid pick we got out of his drafts. Everyone else is either okay or injured.

GM of the decade my ass. **** him , **** the "Clarks." Sale the got damn team to an owner who actually cares about winning a Super Bowl and not just about winning at the ticket booth. JFC its been almost 20 years since we won a ****ing playoff game. Its been almost 40 years since we had a HOF QB on our team (exluding Montana). Im sick and tired of being the team known for tailgating and loud crowds...I would much rather trade that for a Super Bowl win..jfc at this point a play off win would even do