***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by O.city

Not much talk on this here. This is great news. Stops transmission.

Add Another reason why I wanted Moderna vaccine

[warrior]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

It may just depend on people's work and life situations, but I'd probably prefer to wait a little longer and get the 95% version as long as it's not too long. I have a great shelter-in-place lifestyle.

Hmmmm that's where I'm at I'll wait tell it's pretty much safe or covid mysteriously disappears

[O.city]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

Add Another reason why I wanted Moderna vaccine

They're the same tech, I can't imagine why they wouldn't do the same.

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by O.city

Not much talk on this here. This is great news. Stops transmission.

It didn’t stop transmission.
They tested pre-dose 2 test subjects and found:
14 asymptomatic who had the first vaccine
38 asymptotic who had placebo.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by O.city

JUST IN: Moderna's Covid-19 vaccine is 94% effective at preventing illness and appears to protect against infection as well, documents released Tuesday morning say. https://t.co/V3VrNN40UW

— NBC News (@NBCNews) December 15, 2020

The big win seems to be in having different cold storage temps. Pfizer vaccine needs to be super, super cold and I imagine things like dry ice will run out quickly. Also very hard to distribute to remote third world countries. Moderna seems significantly easier to distribute.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

It didn’t stop transmission.
They tested pre-dose 2 test subjects and found:
14 asymptomatic who had the first vaccine
38 asymptotic who had placebo.

Important on @moderna_tx vaccine trial for reducing transmission from FDA briefing docs https://t.co/GAUikTXvYd
They did nasal swabs after 1st dose and showed reduction of asymptomatic infections, reflecting impact on blocking transmission. Very encouraging! pic.twitter.com/6IVSj8E3F0

— Eric Topol (@EricTopol) December 15, 2020

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by O.city

Important on @moderna_tx vaccine trial for reducing transmission from FDA briefing docs https://t.co/GAUikTXvYd
They did nasal swabs after 1st dose and showed reduction of asymptomatic infections, reflecting impact on blocking transmission. Very encouraging! pic.twitter.com/6IVSj8E3F0

— Eric Topol (@EricTopol) December 15, 2020

That corresponds to a relative risk of 0.37 for transmission

[TLO]

This all looks very, very good.

I did a read through of the data myself. I'm in no way qualified to interpret data, but in my layman's understanding, Moderna is greater than or equal to the Pfizer jab.

I'd take either one offered to me.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by TLO

This all looks very, very good.

I did a read through of the data myself. I'm in no way qualified to interpret data, but in my layman's understanding, Moderna is greater than or equal to the Pfizer jab.

I'd take either one offered to me.

Again, from a layman's perspective, they look damn near indistinguishable. Moderna is just a little easier to distribute (and, if I'm understanding it correctly, we have more doses of it ordered).

[TLO]

Originally Posted by O.city

Important on @moderna_tx vaccine trial for reducing transmission from FDA briefing docs https://t.co/GAUikTXvYd
They did nasal swabs after 1st dose and showed reduction of asymptomatic infections, reflecting impact on blocking transmission. Very encouraging! pic.twitter.com/6IVSj8E3F0

— Eric Topol (@EricTopol) December 15, 2020

I don't think Pfizer has this data included, if I'm remembering correctly?

Either way I think it's very plausible to think that it also will have an impact on asymptomatic infections as well.

[Chief Roundup]

So 14 people still got Covid even though they had taken the vaccine?
14 out of how many?
Did those 14 people not have the immune system response to the vaccine that builds the immunity?

[sedated]

Apparently there is a new mutation of Covid that was discovered in southern England. I'm not too concerned about the effect on the vaccine, but wonder if it mutated (again) to be less severe.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/med...4v7?li=BBnb7Kz

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

So 14 people still got Covid even though they had taken the vaccine?
14 out of how many?
Did those 14 people not have the immune system response to the vaccine that builds the immunity?

14 out of 14,134

Note that that figure is just after the first dose, which is why they will be doing two doses.

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

So 14 people still got Covid even though they had taken the vaccine?
14 out of how many?
Did those 14 people not have the immune system response to the vaccine that builds the immunity?

Originally Posted by DaFace

14 out of 14,134

Note that that figure is just after the first dose, which is why they will be doing two doses.

I know nothing about this stuff, but it makes me curious. Of the people for whom the vaccination doesn't work, is it a genetic thing with them? Will it never work due to some reason that's biological?

Or is it that for some reason the injection didn't get administered properly (e.g., missed the vein or something), and a second injection will work?

Or could it be something else, like they got a vaccine that got left out of storage five minutes too long?

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

I know nothing about this stuff, but it makes me curious. Of the people for whom the vaccination doesn't work, is it a genetic thing with them? Will it never work due to some reason that's biological?

Or is it that for some reason the injection didn't get administered properly (e.g., missed the vein or something), and a second injection will work?

Or could it be something else, like they got a vaccine that got left out of storage five minutes too long?

I know nothing really, but I have to imagine it's mostly the first one. I'd wonder if you could theoretically do even more doses and have it eventually create enough of an immune response to work, but that would be a lot of resources put toward 5% of people when herd immunity should theoretically do the trick eventually.