***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[O.city]

Originally Posted by TLO

Where did you see that number that showed Missouri was approaching the 10% mark?

One of the charts on Twitter I think I will try to find it

[O.city]

https://www.msightly.com/covid-19/de...g&objectID=241

Here you go TLO

[TLO]

Originally Posted by O.city

https://www.msightly.com/covid-19/de...g&objectID=241

Here you go TLO

Thanks

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by O.city

For sure

But I also think your 60% that are locked down is pretty optimistic atleast in our area it is. Kids and parents school aged haven’t been all locked down for sure. They’ve had summer baseball and other gatherings and here we are.

Again, Sweden never closed schools of those under 16 and are where they are. So we will see but based on everything that’s come out study wise I don’t think schools will be the mass casualty everything thinks

60% is just some guess - it could be way off.

Sweden is also a smart country that believes in science and mostly follows general guidelines They're not analogous to us in a lot of ways.

[MagicHef]

Wow. HI means herd immunity. I was wondering why everyone kept talking about Hawaii.

[TLO]

2 nursing homes in close proximity to us are reporting outbreaks. We're seeing hospitalizations rise (I assume due to this reason)

[Demonpenz]

I was going to get covid but then I got hi

[O.city]

https://twitter.com/zeynep/status/12...072966656?s=21

This why you need these. Infectiousness is more important

[TLO]

Originally Posted by O.city

https://twitter.com/zeynep/status/12...072966656?s=21

This why you need these. Infectiousness is more important

Have you heard any rumblings on theraputics?

[O.city]

Originally Posted by TLO

Have you heard any rumblings on theraputics?

I have not
Haven’t really looked much for it thoigh

[Pants]

Originally Posted by Demonpenz

I was going to get covid but then I got hi

You're a literal legend, Penz.

[dirk digler]

CDC confirms what Dr. Haseltine and others have been saying with their update yesterday. Kids have the same or higher viral loads and they were sequestered with their WFH parents. Also state they can spread the virus in households and such which makes school just as bad or worse. As Suzzer pointed out alot of people are still working from home, including probably most of the big corporations so when kids go back to school there is going to be a new huge pool of potential victims.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...atric-hcp.html

It is unclear whether children are as susceptible to infection by SARS-CoV-2 compared with adults and whether they can transmit the virus as effectively as adults. Recent evidence suggests that children likely have the same or higher viral loads in their nasopharynx compared with adults and that children can spread the virus effectively in households and camp settings.

Due to community mitigation measures and school closures, transmission of SARS-CoV-2 to and among children may have been reduced in the United States during the pandemic in the spring and early summer of 2020. This may explain the low incidence in children compared with adults. Comparing trends in pediatric infections before and after the return to in-person school and other activities may provide additional understanding about infections in children.

While children infected with SARS-CoV-2 are less likely to develop severe illness compared with adults, children are still at risk of developing severe illness and complications from COVID-19. Recent COVID-19 hospitalization surveillance data shows that the rate of hospitalization among children is low (8.0 per 100,000 population) compared with that in adults (164.5 per 100,000 population), but hospitalization rates in children are increasing. While children have lower rates of mechanical ventilation and death than adults, 1 in 3 children hospitalized with COVID-19 in the United States were admitted to the intensive care unit, which is the same in adults.

Current evidence suggests that children with certain underlying medical conditions and infants (age <1 year) might be at increased risk for severe illness from SARS-CoV-2 infection. Of the children who have developed severe illness from COVID-19, most have had underlying medical conditions.

There is limited evidence about which underlying medical conditions in children might increase the risk for severe illness. Current evidence suggests that children with medical complexity, with genetic, neurologic, metabolic conditions, or with congenital heart disease might be at increased risk for severe illness from COVID-19. Similar to adults, children with obesity, diabetes, asthma and chronic lung disease, sickle cell disease, or immunosuppression might also be at increased risk for severe illness from COVID-19.

While healthcare providers should maintain a high index of suspicion for SARS-CoV-2 infection in these populations and monitor the progression of illness closely, it appears that most infants18 and children with certain underlying conditions such as cancer who are infected with SARS-CoV-2 do not usually develop severe illness.

Hospitalization rates in the United States are higher among Hispanic/Latino children and black, non-Hispanic children and non-Hispanic black children compared with white children, which may be related to the higher rates of obesity and other underlying conditions among these populations.

[O.city]

Doesn’t necessarily say that. Basically says “we aren’t really sure”. Which makes sense because we aren’t really sure.

There was the one Georgia summer camp outbreak but after that was broken down I don’t really know that it necessarily came from pediatric spread.

[O.city]

I read a few of the T cell papers this morning again. They’re pretty technical so they’re not the easiest to get thru but if I’m understanding it, they found essentially 2 sero negative but T cell specific for every sero positive pt.

So that would basically mean nyc for example with it’s 24% positive serology studies would equal out to be in the 60s of overall immunity or past infections cleared.

I’m a little skeptical on that but with the way they’ve kept things low there it would make sense

[O.city]

https://twitter.com/susandominus/sta...596132357?s=21