***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[lawrenceRaider]

Originally Posted by jdubya

Day 3:

Last night dry sore throat kept me awake but today was more typical of a bad allergy day. Mostly sneezing and blowing my nose. I think this has pretty much run it’s course and I am planning on going back to normal routine tomorrow.

So readers digest version: symptoms Wednesday afternoon, slept like the dead on Thursday, Friday cough/cold symptoms and today seasonal allergy type of day.

Tomorrow back to normal routine

Sounds like your experience with it closely mirrored mine. Aside from some pressue in my ears that keeps popping back up, no issues yesterday (day 4) or today.

[MagicalFruit]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

So do you think it was pretty shitty for company's to fire people that didn't get the vaccine in hindsight?

Most people who thought it was cool at the time, are always going to think it was cool no matter how poorly the vaccines actually work.

[Chief Pagan]

Covid-19 vaccines saved an estimated 20m lives during their first year

Their impact in poor countries depends on how effectively governments prioritised recipients

Jul 7th 2022

The development of covid-19 vaccines was a scientific triumph. Converting it into medical benefits has required getting shots into the arms of as many people as possible, a process fraught with political and logistical hurdles. Nonetheless, a new study finds that jabs cut the disease’s death toll by 63% during their first year...


https://www.economist.com/graphic-de...eir-first-year

See also Lancet infectious diseases 2022, O. J. Watson.

[MagicalFruit]

Originally Posted by Chief Pagan

Covid-19 vaccines saved an estimated 20m lives during their first year

Their impact in poor countries depends on how effectively governments prioritised recipients

Jul 7th 2022

The development of covid-19 vaccines was a scientific triumph. Converting it into medical benefits has required getting shots into the arms of as many people as possible, a process fraught with political and logistical hurdles. Nonetheless, a new study finds that jabs cut the disease’s death toll by 63% during their first year...


https://www.economist.com/graphic-de...eir-first-year

See also Lancet infectious diseases 2022, O. J. Watson.

Anything that great, shouldn't need companies firing people to get people to take it. Anything not that great, doesn't warrant companies firing people to get people to take it. Either way, companies firing people over it was ****ed up.

[loochy]

Originally Posted by Chief Pagan

Covid-19 vaccines saved an estimated 20m lives during their first year

[penguinz]

Originally Posted by MagicalFruit

Anything that great, shouldn't need government force to get people to take it. Anything not that great, doesn't warrant government force to get people to take it. Either way, government force is bad.

Keep the political shit in DC.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Chief Pagan

Covid-19 vaccines saved an estimated 20m lives during their first year

Their impact in poor countries depends on how effectively governments prioritised recipients

Jul 7th 2022

The development of covid-19 vaccines was a scientific triumph. Converting it into medical benefits has required getting shots into the arms of as many people as possible, a process fraught with political and logistical hurdles. Nonetheless, a new study finds that jabs cut the disease’s death toll by 63% during their first year...


https://www.economist.com/graphic-de...eir-first-year

See also Lancet infectious diseases 2022, O. J. Watson.

The vax faces a couple significant issues right now.

1. As well as it worked against the Alpha and Delta strain, it works just as bad if not at all against Omicron

2. Because it doesn't work very well at all against Omicron, people still screaming to get boosted are loosing some credibility.

At this point, unless you are severely immunocompromised, there isn't a need to get the vax or get boosted until they come out with a vax that addresses Omicron. And, imo, the pro-vax people would do their credibility good if they joined in that type of message.

The problem is the powers that be are in fear of being seen as not doing anything even when doing nothing is doing more good than doing "something".

[MagicalFruit]

Originally Posted by penguinz

Keep the political shit in DC.

Ahhh, you're right my bad. I edited it to what I was meaning to say, but then got sidetracked and accidentally mentioned the government. Please accept my apology.

[Eleazar]

Originally Posted by Chief Pagan

Covid-19 vaccines saved an estimated 20m lives during their first year

Their impact in poor countries depends on how effectively governments prioritised recipients

Jul 7th 2022

The development of covid-19 vaccines was a scientific triumph. Converting it into medical benefits has required getting shots into the arms of as many people as possible, a process fraught with political and logistical hurdles. Nonetheless, a new study finds that jabs cut the disease’s death toll by 63% during their first year...


https://www.economist.com/graphic-de...eir-first-year

See also Lancet infectious diseases 2022, O. J. Watson.

They clearly made a massive difference in preventing death and hospitalization through Delta. But they are of far less value now, and the government needs to move through the updated vaccines instead of dragging feet. They are so concerned with the political messaging that they aren't doing what makes sense.

[EPodolak]

Thought I might be one of those with some natural immunity, but tested positive this past Sunday. It's pretty rough, have had just about all the known symptoms - can't imagine that the vaccine has made any difference, but could have been worse I guess. Coming out the other side (I think), just hoping now the wife escapes getting sick.

[TLO]

Anyone have a subscription that can view this article?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/healt...onse-boosters/

[lawrenceRaider]

Originally Posted by Hank Hill

Anyone have a subscription that can view this article?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/healt...onse-boosters/

https://archive.ph/jWB35

[lawrenceRaider]

From the article:

“We may have gotten about as much advantage out of the vaccine, at this point, as we can get,” said Barney Graham, an architect of coronavirus vaccines who now focuses on global health equity at Morehouse School of Medicine in Atlanta. Graham emphasizes that the vaccines are doing exactly what they were designed to do: keep people out of the hospital. Retuning them will have benefits, albeit limited.
“We can tweak it and maybe evolve it to match circulating strains a little better,” Graham said. “It will have a very small, incremental effect.”

As I recently had COVID, I will likely not bother with getting a booster.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider

https://archive.ph/jWB35

Thank you

Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider

From the article:



As I recently had COVID, I will likely not bother with getting a booster.

Right now, I'm with you. I had omicron in June (which version is an unknown, but it was likely BA.4 or BA.5 based upon wastewater surveillance)

I'd like more data on what kind of benefit a 4th shot with the reformulated version would do to benefit me.

[Otter]

Originally Posted by penguinz

Keep the political shit in DC.

Anytime you want to quit playing hypocrite hall monitor let us know...

Originally Posted by penguinz

And this is exactly why 99% of people should not be trying to decipher what these charts and data mean.

You cannot ignore other variables. Being gov't enforced or not.

Originally Posted by penguinz

One of the best parts about the Jackson County mandate is that it doesn't even apply to the city that the county offices are located in.

Originally Posted by penguinz

Even better is that Jackson County’s mask requirement does not apply to KC or Independence as they have their own health departments. KC has the mandate and Independence does not.

Guess what mayor has been seen in the other city and not wearing a mask even though he mandates people in his city wear them.

Originally Posted by penguinz

Yet the moron known as Frank White Jr extended the mask mandate until Nov.

Originally Posted by penguinz

You should be good in Estes. https://data.coloradoan.com/fires/

If you plan on going to RMNP make sure you get your timed entry permit. https://www.nps.gov/romo/planyourvis...mit-system.htm