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**Buehler445** · 08:17 AM

Much like the offseason moves repository htis used to do, I think we should use this as the official listing of all the reasons Herm should be fired immediately. Feel free to contribute your thoughts.

I robbed some of the stuff in Rainman's Record thread here

General Ineptitude
2-14 in 2008
4-12 in 2007
2-23 in last 25 games
15-34 (30.6 winning %) in 3 years as Chiefs HC
56-77 (42.1 winning %) Career
Longest losing streak in Chiefs history.
Worst season record
Most losses in a 2 year span (26) in Chiefs History.
Most losses at home (7)
Most points allowed in Franchise History
Herm said "Practice always goes well. It's those games we have trouble with."

Personnel Moves
Croyle as QBOTF with no backup (I'm looking at you Huard)
Alfonso Boone at LDE...Seriously
Moving Hali to RDE
Ty "your damn shoes" Law
The Medlock Fiasco
Novak over Barth
Huard started 2007
Damion McIntosh at RT over Taylor and Richardson
Adrian Jones at RG over anyone else on the roster
DJ at MLB
Jeff Webb continues to be on the roster
Gun remains employed
Krumrie remains employed
Kris Wilson at Fullback
Boomer at Fullback

Game Management
Wasted 2 timeouts in 1 play
Lost 8 games by 7 points or less in 2008
Herm decided to punt to Peyton Manning with 3:30 left on THIRD DOWN instead of seeing what his appointed QBOTF who played well to that point had.
Herm pulled a similar move with the game winding down with the Saints in 2008

Offensive Dumbassery
416 carries for LJ
No first downs in the first half of the Indy Playoff game
We ran the option...WTF?!

Defensive Dumbassery
NOTE: Herm was brought in as a defensive guy
Fewest season sacks in NFL history
Most points yeilded in 1 game by a chiefs team (54 vs Buffalo)
Chiefs gave up 2543 rushing yards in 2008
The return of the 32 D

smittysbar · 01-15-2009, 12:32 AM

It's a process

**BigRedChief** · 01-15-2009, 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by smittysbar

It's a process

That process better end with Herm gone.

And why doesn't the top thread mention Brittle Croyle. The QOTF? He was injured all the time in High School, colllege etc. We staked our future to this guy for 2 years. Thats some dumbassery right there.

**BigRedChief** · 01-15-2009, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by SCTrojan

Game over. Herm seems like a good guy, and the players seem to rally to him, but this thing has got to be blown up.

Should Herm stay? Is he the guy? Ask yourself this......

If Scott Pioli was still in NE and Bill Bellicheck left for whatever reason would Pioli hire Herm as his first choice coach?

**Buehler445** · 01-16-2009, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

That process better end with Herm gone.

And why doesn't the top thread mention Brittle Croyle. The QOTF? He was injured all the time in High School, colllege etc. We staked our future to this guy for 2 years. Thats some dumbassery right there.

Fixed.

EyePod · 01-16-2009, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445

Herm decided to punt to Peyton Manning with 3:30 left on THIRD DOWN instead of seeing what his appointed QBOTF who played well to that point had.
Herm pulled a similar move with the game winding down with the Saints in 2008

I've found the Saints game (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playby...16012&period=0), but when did that happen against the Colts? I checked the play-by-plays and couldn't find anything. Thanks!

EyePod · 01-16-2009, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Post of the year B!!!!

I would rep you AGAIN, but I have to spread it around first...

You and your VD.....

RINGLEADER · 01-16-2009, 09:12 AM

Herm tries to hide behind the rebuilding mantra but when he said that he felt Gunther had done enough to earn another year he forfeited all rights to be involved in any meaningful way with this team.

Gunther has done nothing.

Gunther is a fraud.

Gunther is lost.

The same could be said for Herm.

EyePod · 01-16-2009, 09:17 AM

I agree. I still don't think Herm is the problem. He isn't the solution though either. And his coordinators (THAT HE CHOSE) are the problem. Therefore, Herm must go. I don't think Pioli can keep him. Really. It's going down today. Quote me!

chiefzilla1501 · 01-16-2009, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by EyePod

I agree. I still don't think Herm is the problem. He isn't the solution though either. And his coordinators (THAT HE CHOSE) are the problem. Therefore, Herm must go. I don't think Pioli can keep him. Really. It's going down today. Quote me!

You nailed it. But at the same time, the GM has power/responsibility to force a coordinator change when it isn't working--remember, Vermeil was pissed when he got stuck with Martz, but it was the right decision. Also, I know this is a controversial comment, but I must again point out that I'm leery about saying that Herm chose his coordinators. I think what's more likely is that Carl Peterson told Herm that he would have to keep the same coordinators, and Herm was okay with that because he didn't mind either Solari or Gun. Given that Peterson never opened up the interview process for the coordinators, we cannot know for sure if Herm would have chosen someone else for either position. My guess is, one of those two would NOT have been on his staff.

I think in most instances, you can point out that the Front Office was 75% of the problem and the coaches were 25% of the problem. It's still 25% too much, but in terms of the crappy decisions made on personnel and assistant coach decisions, the difference between KC and Baltimore and Pittsburgh and New England is not the head coaches, but the fact that they have front offices that would never let poor personnel/coaching decisions happen. It's like this: in ANY decision a head coach makes where the GM has veto power over (i.e. the coordinator decision--Herm can back Gun all he wants, but it's the GM's decision to keep or fire him), then the front office deserves the majority of the blame.

chiefzilla1501 · 01-16-2009, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

That process better end with Herm gone.

And why doesn't the top thread mention Brittle Croyle. The QOTF? He was injured all the time in High School, colllege etc. We staked our future to this guy for 2 years. Thats some dumbassery right there.

The process should end with whatever Scott Pioli without any influence from anybody in the Chiefs' front office feels is best for the organization. I hope he gets that chance. More than likely, that won't be herm edwards.

R&GHomer · 01-16-2009, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Bowser

15-34 for his career here. Gunther Cunnignham won more games in two seasons than Herm did in three.

God could you people pls stop reminding us of that. I die just a little every time I read it.

**Buehler445** · 01-16-2009, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by EyePod

I've found the Saints game (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playby...16012&period=0), but when did that happen against the Colts? I checked the play-by-plays and couldn't find anything. Thanks!

2007 @ Indy

3:30 might not be the correct time. It was about there though.

12-29-2008, 09:51 AM
Buehler445 Supporter Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Scott City KS Casino cash: $2314734	*The Official HERM MUST BE FIRED IMMEDIATELY Reasoning and Statistics Repository* Much like the offseason moves repository htis used to do, I think we should use this as the official listing of all the reasons Herm should be fired immediately. Feel free to contribute your thoughts. I robbed some of the stuff in Rainman's Record thread here General Ineptitude 2-14 in 2008 4-12 in 2007 2-23 in last 25 games 15-34 (30.6 winning %) in 3 years as Chiefs HC 56-77 (42.1 winning %) Career Longest losing streak in Chiefs history. Worst season record Most losses in a 2 year span (26) in Chiefs History. Most losses at home (7) Most points allowed in Franchise History Herm said "Practice always goes well. It's those games we have trouble with." Personnel Moves Croyle as QBOTF with no backup (I'm looking at you Huard) Alfonso Boone at LDE...Seriously Moving Hali to RDE Ty "your damn shoes" Law The Medlock Fiasco Novak over Barth Huard started 2007 Damion McIntosh at RT over Taylor and Richardson Adrian Jones at RG over anyone else on the roster DJ at MLB Jeff Webb continues to be on the roster Gun remains employed Krumrie remains employed Kris Wilson at Fullback Boomer at Fullback Game Management Wasted 2 timeouts in 1 play Lost 8 games by 7 points or less in 2008 Herm decided to punt to Peyton Manning with 3:30 left on THIRD DOWN instead of seeing what his appointed QBOTF who played well to that point had. Herm pulled a similar move with the game winding down with the Saints in 2008 Offensive Dumbassery 416 carries for LJ No first downs in the first half of the Indy Playoff game We ran the option...WTF?! Defensive Dumbassery NOTE: Herm was brought in as a defensive guy Fewest season sacks in NFL history Most points yeilded in 1 game by a chiefs team (54 vs Buffalo) Chiefs gave up 2543 rushing yards in 2008 The return of the 32 D Last edited by Buehler445; 01-16-2009 at 08:17 AM..
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EyePod Forgetting 2013 season end. Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Around Casino cash: $9995735	I agree. I still don't think Herm is the problem. He isn't the solution though either. And his coordinators (THAT HE CHOSE) are the problem. Therefore, Herm must go. I don't think Pioli can keep him. Really. It's going down today. Quote me! __________________ I did not believe in Mahomes until week 1. I've been woke ever since. I'm on board this freight train.
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