***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by jdubya

Here in NorCal I have had numerous conversations with folks who have said things like, "This years flu shot sure didnt help me any. I was sick as a dog for a couple of days last week..."
My own PMD advised me to get the shot back in December (i was late getting it) but I remember her saying "even though it doesnt seem to be helping very many people this season..."
Who knows? California should be ground zero for this virus but it is eerily quiet to date

I've been "advised" every year to get the Seasonal Influenza Vaccine and I've never, ever taken it, although my wife and children do get it every year.

Also, the Seasonal Influenza Vaccine is only about 45% effective and in some years, it's quite a bit lower.

I think the idea of exposure and immunity sound fantastic in theory but it's also just as difficult for me to believe that to be true.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by displacedinMN

TWe have until May 4, but I will say the announcement will come April 24. Especially if the peak is not supposed to be until May.

May the 4th be with you!

[mdchiefsfan]

Originally Posted by TLO

Do you guys think the % of positives of those tested matters in the grand scheme of things? Like for example I think Missouri is just under 10% right now.

Idk if I phrased that correctly. Hopefully it makes sense.

I would think so, especially considering certain criteria is required to receive the test.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I've been "advised" every year to get the Seasonal Influenza Vaccine and I've never, ever taken it, although my wife and children do get it every year.

Also, the Seasonal Influenza Vaccine is only about 45% effective and in some years, it's quite a bit lower.

I think the idea of exposure and immunity sound fantastic in theory but it's also just as difficult for me to believe that to be true.

I remember seeing some charts a while back where the flu surveillance system went all wonky in a few states between November and January (Missouri and California were both actually mentioned in article I saw)

But I'm still very much in agreement with you. The idea that this bug was circulating as early as November seems virtually impossible.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I've been "advised" every year to get the Seasonal Influenza Vaccine and I've never, ever taken it, although my wife and children do get it every year.

Also, the Seasonal Influenza Vaccine is only about 45% effective and in some years, it's quite a bit lower.

I think the idea of exposure and immunity sound fantastic in theory but it's also just as difficult for me to believe that to be true.

My first year of residency in hospitals I was sick all damn year. After that, rarely.
I haven't gotten a flu shot in 20+ years.

[TLO]

In other news - according to Worldomoters, it looks very possible that web may come in with a lower death total as opposed to yesterday.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

My first year of residency in hospitals I was sick all damn year. After that, rarely.
I haven't gotten a flu shot in 20+ years.

I can't remember the last time I had the flu but the last time I had a cold of any consequence was 2015.

During that time, I've had kids in preschool, elementary and middle school.

And FWIW, I don't even know if doctors are still prescribing it but the Influenza Nasal Spray is nearly ineffective.

[Titty Meat]

Birx is talking about full contact tracing. DJ spoke out against this yesterday.

[stumppy]

Damn, Missouri had 21 deaths in the last 24 hrs. for a total of 77.

[Dartgod]

Originally Posted by stumppy

Damn, Missouri had 21 deaths in the last 24 hrs. for a total of 77.

This site has them at 87.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

[TLO]

Originally Posted by stumppy

Damn, Missouri had 21 deaths in the last 24 hrs. for a total of 77.

See DaFace's posts a few above yours.

The 77 total is behind the times.

[wazu]

Originally Posted by stumppy

Damn, Missouri had 21 deaths in the last 24 hrs. for a total of 77.

I really wish that every place showing these stats would also show the number of new jobless claims.

[chinaski]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I've been "advised" every year to get the Seasonal Influenza Vaccine and I've never, ever taken it, although my wife and children do get it every year.

Also, the Seasonal Influenza Vaccine is only about 45% effective and in some years, it's quite a bit lower.

I think the idea of exposure and immunity sound fantastic in theory but it's also just as difficult for me to believe that to be true.

I got the flu shot this year (October), and I haven't been sick (knock on wood), but when I was getting it, my Doc basically said it's an educated guess of the potential active strain. Total crapshoot I guess.

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by wazu

I really wish that every place showing these stats would also show the number of new jobless claims.

Why?

[stumppy]

Originally Posted by Dartgod

This site has them at 87.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

Looks like they only have two new deaths. Probably different update times.

Looks like we're still a few weeks out from predicted peak.