Evaluate the Defense Game #1

[petegz28]

I thought they looked improved from several aspects. Keep in mind this was Jax and not a high-powered offense.

Tackling = Much, MUCH better

Coverage = Tighter. Few plays without a defender right on the WR

Run Defense = Stellar start, let's not get cocky

Pass Defense = Not a ton of pressure today. Missed a huge sack which ended up leading to a TD. Coverage overall was decent. Made a backup look all-world but that happens when a backup comes in mid-game.

Overall it looked like we were more sound fundamentally. Run gaps were getting filled, screens were getting blown up and not a ton of YAC. Hopefully as the season progresses our defense will as well.

Overall grade today: C+

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Superturtle

Didn't I say "fair or not?" When did I ever say Clark wasn't bad? I thought he was pretty lousy. Just like the rest of the big guns on defense. Fuller, Mathieu, Hitchens, Jones. All lousy in my opinion. Just seems like you've got a particular hard on for Clark.

Bright side is the cheaper role guys like Breeland, Wilson, and Okafor played well enough that if the guys we're paying (or plan to pay) the big bucks to actually start to play up to their talents, we might not be DOA.

"Overly" is a judgment. You can't say "overly critical" and then "fair or not".

Using 'overly' says it's not fair - full stop. It's one of those "Everything that comes before the 'but' is bullshit" sorts of things. Especially when your post effectively starts with "just ignore him, he's being a bitchy schoolgirl over Clark..."

No, I'm really not. I think Veach overpaid in terms of cap and capital. I've said that. I've also said that I think he can be a very good player here, his attitude may be just what we needed as part of the overhaul and that there's a clear path to this being a good acquisition.

And in his first shot, against a bad offense in front of a tepid crowd with an entire half where he got to go after a green QB protected by a 3rd stringer, he did nothing. That's no bueno and fair to point out.

[FAX]

Yes, it's Week 1 ... any rational person would take that into account. On the other hand, that's why this performance should be concerning.

This was our first look at the #1 defense with extended snaps playing against an offense that is not particularly scary (especially considering the o-line they trotted out there). If our brand-new marquee defenders are going to rack up a grand total of 2 tackles and 1/2 sacks against the Yaguars, something went wrong somewhere. Because that, my friends, is unacceptable. It was the Yaguars' first game, as well.

We're not talking about a high standard here. It was the Yaguars.

FAX

[O.city]

I do think though, we may need to recalibrate what we want or expect this offense to be.

They aren't gonna be the Ravens lite from last year (although I do think there's more talent on the D than it looked like and it's early) and they aren't really or shouldn't be expected to be.

Get a few stops, don't get gashed and turn the team over a time or two.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by BryanBusby

Ah, nobody said he was 'good'

Maybe settle the **** down?

Maybe grow a pair and try to respond or just stay home.

It's a discussion board - you paying for my keystrokes, sweetheart?

[WhiteWhale]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Yeah, there's no shit there at all.

Ask any of these folks if they'd be saying any of this is Sutton was back. They KNOW they wouldn't be.

Nobody's saying that this defense is doomed to be the worst in the league again. I'm just saying that they played poorly yesterday and any kind of objective analysis has to come to that conclusion.

Especially if you're willing to ask yourself how you'd approach it if the offense HADN'T stepped up yesterday or if Sutton HADN'T been fired. Anyone that honestly thinks they'd have defended this defense had Sutton still been running it or even if Mahomes had to leave, the offense stalled and the Jags ended up winning 26-20 are just lying to themselves.

FFS, I think this team is going 14-2 and winning the SB. I friggen love the potential of this squad.

But because I watched a pass-rush go nowhere and a run defense give up 5+ YPC, I'm just some angry hater or some other dumb shit.

One can criticize a decision, a play, a player, a unit, a game, a coach, any or ALL of that shit without deciding that this is now a 1-15 team. G'damn people.

I'll say it again... from what I see on paper it will take one helluva coach to get them into the top 20.

Right now it just looks like Grandpa bob's defense with a much worse pass rush.

[dlphg9]

Originally Posted by Halfcan

Fournette had a couple of late-game runs that padded his stats- he was pretty much a non-factor running with only 66 yards. Add in his receiving and he was still under 100 yards with a Huge fumble.

Jags were doing zip the first part of the game until that pass by Foles- which cost him the season. Fuller was right on his ass so I am not sure what else he could have done? This is the NFL- guys make plays.

As far as Minshew shredding us- most were dump-offs. Yes. the secondary had communication problems with 2 new safties out there that need to play much better. But most of those yards were in garbage time when Spags called off the dogs and was only rushing 4.

Now, how Mahomes dismantled the Jags "awesome" defense- that was a shredding. Chiefs D played much better than the Jags D and it was only the first game of the year- their first game together, on the road and it was hot as hell.

What more did you expect?

Ummm you can't just explain Fournette's decent game against us away by saying it was just some big runs at the end of the game. Here are all 13 of his attempts.

-1
2
5
12
3
3
6
1
14
6
2
10
3

So take out his 3 big carries which accounted for 36 of his 66 yards. So 10 carries for 30 yards.

Now compare that to McCoys game. His 10 carries looked like this.

13
2
4
2
3
31
5
0
2
19

So 63 of his 81 yards came on 3 carries. On his other 7 carries he had 18 yards.


But you can't take away the long carries, so I'd say they both had pretty good games.

What's everyone's obsession with trying to convince themselves and everyone that the pass rush and rush D was good?

[BryanBusby]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Maybe grow a pair and try to respond or just stay home.

It's a discussion board - you paying for my keystrokes, sweetheart?

Maybe be less of an emotional bitch about it?

[tmax63]

Originally Posted by WhiteWhale

KC brought in two 'impact' defenders in the off-season, and neither of them made an impact.

I'm not going to over-react here because 'one game', but you didn't notice them unless you were specifically watching for them. They didn't stand out at all. For Clark that's bad, because they had scrubs playing tackle. Life should have been much harder for the QB.

Jones was getting good penetration in the 1st quarter, but after that? Blah.

Back up tackles and a back up QB with Chris Conley as their #1 WR and they shredded our guys. Thank god we have this otherworldly offense. We're gonna need it.

You all act like the D has been together for 5 yrs like they were under grandpa Bob. This was the 1st game with new coaches, scheme, and 7 new starters. They have played together about 4 drives in the preseason. They prepared for a deeper throwing not real mobile QB and ended up playing a check-down king that made AS envious. I'll take up 24 with 10 minutes to play every time. Lots of room for improvement, hell yes. Is it time to worry because Pittsburgh really sucks this year without their PITA WR and RB?
Lets see some more games before the Chiefs acknowledge there's no stopping NE and they should cancel the rest of the season and give the Lombardi to them now.

[Lzen]

Originally Posted by Superturtle

Good Lord, how is Ward ranked ahead of ANYBODY, much less seemingly half of his teammates on defense?!? PFF is ****ing worthless.

Yeah, I thought that was rather.......dubious.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by BryanBusby

Maybe be less of an emotional bitch about it?

I fail to see how I was being emotional about anything.

You're the one coming in here asking me center my chi or whatever. I'm felling just fine.

I reiterate, you're free to join a conversation or...don't. Seems like you don't have anything worthwhile to add so maybe use your time elsewhere.

To each their own.

[BryanBusby]

Originally Posted by FAX

The Colts apologists used the same excuse in the playoff game, Mr. BryanBusby.

Weather conditions are the same for both teams on the same day at the same place.

FAX

Correct. A Defense that's actually good usually in Jacksonville got knifed with total ease.

Neither Defense did particularly well and while that's not indicative that the Chiefs Defense will actually be good, but maybe they're not bad like that performance yesterday would make you think.

It's okay to say the performance yesterday was not good, because it wasn't. But I think it's fair to say that we should see more before dropping the hot takes, yeah?

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I fail to see how I was being emotional about anything.

You're the one coming in here asking me center my chi or whatever. I'm felling just fine.

I reiterate, you're free to join a conversation or...don't. Seems like you don't have anything worthwhile to add so maybe use your time elsewhere.

To each their own.

I think you would have been fine until the whiny shit about boy howdy you sure expect to see more from the shiny new DL.

It's a long season. Settle down, Francis. People were dropping like flies from just sitting in the stands

[dlphg9]

Originally Posted by Superturtle

Didn't I say "fair or not?" When did I ever say Clark wasn't bad? I thought he was pretty lousy. Just like the rest of the big guns on defense. Fuller, Mathieu, Hitchens, Jones. All lousy in my opinion. Just seems like you've got a particular hard on for Clark.

Bright side is the cheaper role guys like Breeland, Wilson, and Okafor played well enough that if the guys we're paying (or plan to pay) the big bucks to actually start to play up to their talents, we might not be DOA.

Fuller Mathieu Hitchens and Jones played better than Clark did. Also if you add up what we are paying those 1st four players it equals $26 mil per year and Clark is making $21 mil per year. I guess you should expect a little more out of Clark considering he's making 8 million a year more than Fuller Hitchens and Jones combined.

[WhiteWhale]

Originally Posted by tmax63

You all act like the D has been together for 5 yrs like they were under grandpa Bob. This was the 1st game with new coaches, scheme, and 7 new starters. They have played together about 4 drives in the preseason. They prepared for a deeper throwing not real mobile QB and ended up playing a check-down king that made AS envious. I'll take up 24 with 10 minutes to play every time. Lots of room for improvement, hell yes. Is it time to worry because Pittsburgh really sucks this year without their PITA WR and RB?
Lets see some more games before the Chiefs acknowledge there's no stopping NE and they should cancel the rest of the season and give the Lombardi to them now.

Nobody said anything about giving the championship the NE.

You tell me, talent wise, where you think this defense ranks compared to the rest of the NFL. Go ahead.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by WhiteWhale

Nobody said anything about giving the championship the NE.

You tell me, talent wise, where you think this defense ranks compared to the rest of the NFL. Go ahead.

I mean, just having Clark, Jones, Mathieu, puts them not at the end.

It's not ****ing barren talent wise. It should be better than it was yesterday results wise.

[Lzen]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Yeah, there's no shit there at all.

Ask any of these folks if they'd be saying any of this is Sutton was back. They KNOW they wouldn't be.

Nobody's saying that this defense is doomed to be the worst in the league again. I'm just saying that they played poorly yesterday and any kind of objective analysis has to come to that conclusion.

Especially if you're willing to ask yourself how you'd approach it if the offense HADN'T stepped up yesterday or if Sutton HADN'T been fired. Anyone that honestly thinks they'd have defended this defense had Sutton still been running it or even if Mahomes had to leave, the offense stalled and the Jags ended up winning 26-20 are just lying to themselves.

FFS, I think this team is going 14-2 and winning the SB. I friggen love the potential of this squad.

But because I watched a pass-rush go nowhere and a run defense give up 5+ YPC, I'm just some angry hater or some other dumb shit.

One can criticize a decision, a play, a player, a unit, a game, a coach, any or ALL of that shit without deciding that this is now a 1-15 team. G'damn people.

I wasn't all that happy with the defense but I can see some bright spots. And we all knew going in that this defense would take several weeks to get up to their full potential. I agree with you about Clark, though. I was disappointed in his performance. Knowing the kind of professional he is supposed to be, I can imagine he is pretty disappointed in himself. Hopefully, we will see much better out of him in the remaining games.