Rosen is considering pulling an Eli if the Browns want him

[Quesadilla Joe]

If Darnold pulls the same thing the #1 pick could be up for grabs...

Josh Rosen prefers Giants over Browns, would hesitate to enter draft if Cleveland commits to him

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UCLA quarterback Josh Rosen would prefer to play for the Giants over the Browns and would be hesitant to come out in next year's NFL draft if he knew that Cleveland was going to take him with the No. 1 overall pick, according to league sources familiar with the situation.

This is hardly the first time that a player has expressed concern about landing in Cleveland, though that will not dissuade new Browns general manager John Dorsey from taking the player he believes is the best fit for his franchise.

Privately, Rosen has expressed concern about winding up in Cleveland and would rather be with a more stable franchise, such as the Giants.

Rosen plans to sit down with his parents after the Cactus Bowl for a "serious conversation" before making a final decision about whether to turn pro. Whether Cleveland has the No. 1 overall pick could influence his decision, according to a source.

The Browns (0-14) can secure the top overall pick Sunday with a loss to the Chicago Bears or a victory by the Giants (2-12) over the Arizona Cardinals. New York would clinch no worse than the No. 2 pick with losses in each of its last two games.

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Dorsey is in a tough spot. I don't think Smith would be an option for him because I doubt Dorsey or KC would want to do a deal with each other, and Smith probably won't want to go to Cleveland either.

His only option could be giving Cousins $100M guaranteed or something.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Rams Fan

Money always talks.

While making the playoffs would be nice next season, realistically, showing any signs of progress will likely be enough to make the fanbase excited.

Getting a temporary guy who has no long term plans in being there, even to be a backup, doesn't make sense. Start Kizer or Kessler until the new guy is ready and get rid of the guy who shows he can't play and keep the one who can as the backup.

I don't know if Hue is at fault and I don't know how much of it falls on Sashi Brown and Haslam. But the Browns are in a huge ****ing predicament regardless. You can't sell keeping Hue to the fanbase aside from a stability stand point.

Jacksonville was trying very hard to burn cap space last year because they had something like $60M in cap space last year. They lose a few free agents
in a bidding war even though Jacksonville was by far the biggest bidder. And that's Jacksonville. Cleveland literally has a reputation that it's a place to go where careers die. I agree Hue is a disaster. The rumor is that Cincy wants to trade for Hue and I'm guessing Dorsey would trade him for a pack of gum if there was a willing taker. That rumor sounds extremely credible because it's exactly the type of move Cincy would make. I doubt Hue makes it past his contract and it wouldn't shock me if the promise to keep him was an empty one. Remember that Clark Hunt pledged his loyalty to Herm after Pioli was hired, and Herm was quickly fired.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

This is why the Browns could use a guy like Alex Smith, even though I don't expect him to go there. They have no respectability or stability within the organization, and they likely aren't going to get it from any of these rookies.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

This is why the Browns could use a guy like Alex Smith, even though I don't expect him to go there. They have no respectability or stability within the organization, and they likely aren't going to get it from any of these rookies.

If they fire Hue, it will be an ideal situation for him. Good offensive line. They'll probably install a WCO he's comfortable with and maybe even a coach he knows extremely well already. He can retire in a year or 2 while collecting a ton of frontloaded cash. And he'll retire a hero if he so much as wins 8 games.

[Rams Fan]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I agree Hue is a disaster. The rumor is that Cincy wants to trade for Hue and I'm guessing Dorsey would trade him for a pack of gum if there was a willing taker. That rumor sounds extremely credible because it's exactly the type of move Cincy would make. I doubt Hue makes it past his contract and it wouldn't shock me if the promise to keep him was an empty one. Remember that Clark Hunt pledged his loyalty to Herm after Pioli was hired, and Herm was quickly fired.

I just don't know what the right way in dealing with Hue is.

He inherited a mess and is about to post a historically awful season for the second consecutive season.

He needs time, but how can you say the team has improved since he's taken over?

Even if you(general you, not a specific you) like Hue, how the hell can you sell 1-31 to a fan base?

That's what it was like dealing with firing Spags from my view with the Rams. And I liked Spags and actually wanted him to come back for a 4th season.

[Chief Pagan]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

If they fire Hue, it will be an ideal situation for him. Good offensive line. They'll probably install a WCO he's comfortable with and maybe even a coach he knows extremely well already. He can retire in a year or 2 while collecting a ton of frontloaded cash. And he'll retire a hero if he so much as wins 8 games.

I don't see AS as just going to the highest bidder for a few more dollars and I don't think adoration from fans is going to make him excited about an 8 and 8 season.

They may have a bright future, but I don't see it happening quick enough for Smith to be interested.

If I was Smith, I would seriously rather go hold a clipboard for a Superbowl contender and wait for a broken collarbone/torn ACL then go to a crappy team that will might be turning it around about the time you are going to retire for good.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Rams Fan

I just don't know what the right way in dealing with Hue is.

He inherited a mess and is about to post a historically awful season for the second consecutive season.

He needs time, but how can you say the team has improved since he's taken over?

Even if you(general you, not a specific you) like Hue, how the hell can you sell 1-31 to a fan base?

That's what it was like dealing with firing Spags from my view with the Rams. And I liked Spags and actually wanted him to come back for a 4th season.

He'll be a solid assistant somewhere. But he's not a good coach. From the way he flip flopped on the QB situation to game decisions that were Herm Edwards level bad. The best decision is that if Cincy will trade for him, and that's a very good possibility, do it. It's a move that will make Hue happy and will allow Dorsey to bring in one of his guys. Hue will never be a winning coach but he can deliver to Mike Brown the mediocrity Brown cares about.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Chief Pagan

I don't see AS as just going to the highest bidder for a few more dollars and I don't think adoration from fans is going to make him excited about an 8 and 8 season.

They may have a bright future, but I don't see it happening quick enough for Smith to be interested.

If I was Smith, I would seriously rather go hold a clipboard for a Superbowl contender and wait for a broken collarbone/torn ACL then go to a crappy team that will might be turning it around about the time you are going to retire for good.

That's asking for a lot of things. A Super Bowl competitor actually looking for a QB, let alone a 1-2 year rental. A team that has the cap space to give him a heavily front-loaded deal. And an offense that runs something he's used to - I'm sure he will want to run WCO, not learn a brand new offense this late in his career.

Their offense has a lot more talent than what Alex Smith walked into in KC. Their offensive line with Joe Thomas is legitimately good. Corey Coleman, Gordon (probably will return), Njoku as TE are good receiving options. Duke Johnson/Crowell are solid RBs and they could easily draft Saquon Barkley. If the Browns get rid of Hue, they could offer him a shitload of money, a good offensive supporting cast that gives good pass protection, and an offense and potentially coaching staff he's comfortable with.

Dorsey could easily build the team like he did in KC. Remember he brought in a ton of 1-2 year rentals to make Alex Smith comfortable. With that kind of cap space, they can plug in any gaps super quick.

[BryanBusby]

Originally Posted by Rams Fan

I just don't know what the right way in dealing with Hue is.

He inherited a mess and is about to post a historically awful season for the second consecutive season.

He needs time, but how can you say the team has improved since he's taken over?

Even if you(general you, not a specific you) like Hue, how the hell can you sell 1-31 to a fan base?

That's what it was like dealing with firing Spags from my view with the Rams. And I liked Spags and actually wanted him to come back for a 4th season.

I'll make it simple.

Going 0-16 should be an auto pinkslip, no matter what. You should win at least A game...and that's all he did over 2 years.

Hell even a shitty **** ass wad Colts squad won 2 without Manning.

[Mav]

I don’t believe he is Dorsey’s first choice anyway. I believe Mayfield is


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[Trent Green GOAT]

Thought about it for a little bit, but I think what the browns are doing is more amazing and harder to do than what KU football is doing. In the nfl if you're shit you get first pick of the litter in the draft, not to mention having free agency. Yet year after year they continue to be shit.

1-31 is absolutely deplorable. Hire me as head coach i got a 50/50 chance of going 1-31.

[Trent Green GOAT]

Originally Posted by Mav

I don’t believe he is Dorsey’s first choice anyway. I believe Mayfield is


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Then Dorsey is a dumbass.

[cooper barrett]

Originally Posted by eDave

Mahomes is going to wish he had pulled the same move.

I kid. I kid.

I think PMll got his eyes opened when he stepped in to the NFL. If we get lucky enough to see him play Sun. we will see a much more mature PMll than we've ever saw footage of. I am glad to see how all reports show he is eager to learn, is very coach-able, and catches on very quickly.

I listen to all of you say to have Cleveland take Alex for 2 years while they develop the rookie but you don't have the same felling with Alex11 and PMll here in KC. That makes you "Whiney Little Bitches".

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by cooper barrett

I think PMll got his eyes opened when he stepped in to the NFL. If we get lucky enough to see him play Sun. we will see a much more mature PMll than we've ever saw footage of. I am glad to see how all reports show he is eager to learn, is very coach-able, and catches on very quickly.

I listen to all of you say to have Cleveland take Alex for 2 years while they develop the rookie but you don't have the same felling with Alex11 and PMll here in KC. That makes you "Whiney Little Bitches".

I've never heard a single story that hinted that mahomes was immature. Not sure where that's coming from.

And the reason I think Cleveland is Alex's best landing spot is because Cleveland is building something. They need stability. Kc already has it built. As I've said before, Alex is a great fit for a building team not one contending for a super bowl. I hope I'm wrong this season on that. We will see. It's not nearly the same thing.

[Chiefshrink]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

He's been wishy washy about it. He's been in and out of the starting lineup so many times. Bizarre behavior for a coach. One of many examples of hue being too wishy washy to be a head coach.

Agreed. Jackson is not a head coach. He is peter principled out at the coordinator position and btw so is Vance Joseph of the Donkos. Poor Vance is just soooooo "deer in the headlights" on the sideline with the same post game press conference mantra of "well it was working in practice this week and early on in the game but we just didn't get it done" for the tenth week in a row. Both these guys are way in over their head BUT the owner of the Browns(Haslin) and Elway have their "yes men" in place so it will be interesting to see how long they stay on.

[ChiefAshhole1056]

Barkely is going #1 anyways. Rosen will be fine.