***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by lewdog

It's sad that someone so much younger than you has to provide you with so much world knowledge.

Sad!!!!

**** you. You're buying the beers now you ****ing bitch!

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by SupDock

Most deaths are not autopsied . . .

And the death toll of most of those cases don't directly lead to a lock down on a national or even global scale.

[lewdog]

Originally Posted by petegz28

**** you. You're buying the beers now you ****ing bitch!

Ok deal.

[jdubya]

Many years ago in a cardiology class the running joke was, “if you show 10 cardiologists the same EKG you will get 15 different opinions of what they interpret”.

[eDave]

Worst internet fight ever.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by jdubya

Many years ago in a cardiology class the running joke was, “if you show 10 cardiologists the same EKG you will get 15 different opinions of what they interpret”.

And let me ask you this. People die from pneumonia every day which was caused by influenza, right?

If I called you today and said my spouse died, she was not feeling well, had been running a fever and a cough for the last week or so and had a heart attack are you going to assume Covid? As I understand it they aren't even testing that scenario they are just chalking it up to Covid when those very symptoms could have been influenza.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by eDave

Worst internet fight ever.

It's Tuesday night...the good shit is on the weekends, you know that!

[lewdog]

Originally Posted by eDave

Worst internet fight ever.

Dude, I ain't fighting someone double my age.

Just not fair.

[SupDock]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Opinion is fine when it is stated as such. And I know I am nitpicking a fine line here but when you have an entire country on lockdown because of this shit and the death toll is one of the metrics being used to justify such then you had best be damned sure what you are reporting is ****ing accurate. Because the consequences going far beyond just being wrong. Our entire economy is taking it up the ass right now and though it will bounce back there will be a cost.

So what is being reported needs to be accurate. This isn't the occasional one-off case. We have our medical professionals talking about this being our "Pearl Harbor" moment, people are losing their jobs and their businesses which you being in the medical field should know can lead to all kinds of ancillary issues like depression, suicide, alchol and drug addiction, child abuse, spousal abuse, etc.

This is not the time to be cavalier or unsure about shit because the consequences are extraordinary.

All you can do is state what you believe to be correct. Requesting anything else is unreasonable, and likely not achievable.

If you required a death certificate to be 100 percent accurate, people wouldn't fill it out.

[SupDock]

Originally Posted by petegz28

And let me ask you this. People die from pneumonia every day which was caused by influenza, right?

If I called you today and said my spouse died, she was not feeling well, had been running a fever and a cough for the last week or so and had a heart attack are you going to assume Covid? As I understand it they aren't even testing that scenario they are just chalking it up to Covid when those very symptoms could have been influenza.

I would not assume Covid-19, no. Keep in mind that positive flu cases are dramatically decreasing, but I realize that is not your point.

[Eleazar]

Originally Posted by eDave

Worst internet fight ever.

I knew who was on one side of the fight just by reading this post.

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by lewdog

Ok deal.

I quit ****in you cuz last time we was ****ing you farted and said "hes talking to you"

[vonBobo]

What we know for a fact is that Wuhan's medical infrastructure was overloaded, and then the same thing happened in Italy. The entire point of stay at home is to flatten the curve in attempt to keep our hospitals from collapsing.
Death toll bickering is just moving the goalposts to fit an agenda. We must keep our hospitals functioning and so far we have been successful.

[Bugeater]

Sweet, I got here just in time for Lewdog buying beers!

[srvy]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Well what they "think" and what they "know" can very easily be two completely different things. And possibly contributing and being the cause again, two different things.

Yeah if uncertain the cause why make the guess. Seems a simple natural causes would be better.