***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[sedated]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

IMO it is pretty simple when it comes to masks, all you have to do is look at how East Asians countries (heavy mask wearers) have handled covid-19 vs Western countries (no mask wearers). It is not even close and East Asian countries have a fraction of the cases and deaths than Western countries do despite the fact that the Asian countries had tens of thousands more visitors from Wuhan when the pandemic started than Western countries did. Heck look at Vietnam 0 deaths, Hong Kong 4 deaths, Taiwan 7 deaths.

I want to be at the Chiefs home opener so ****ing wear a mask so we can kick this virus's ass otherwise they are going to be playing in an empty ****ing stadium if they play at all. Assholes

But, but...tyranny

[Eleazar]

You guys, be nice to pete, if he gets banned from this thread he's going to come back to the ones in DC and we're tired of him ruining our threads there.

[Eleazar]

Originally Posted by DaFace

Do you actually work for a living, Pete? You have about as many posts in this thread than I have on CP in a year. That's truly impressive.

Is (almost) 2,500 posts in a single thread some kind of a CP record?

[Eleazar]

Also, take a gander at Table 1 at this link:

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...scenarios.html

The current "best estimate" of the case fatality rate is 0.4%, with all scenarios between 0.2 and 1.0%, and the rate of infections that are asymptomatic 35%

[limested]

Originally Posted by srvy

Yeah while 100s go right on through. The masks available to most if you can even find them are dust masks they don't make a seal hold up to the sun if you even get out you can see through. But tell me what PPE you are an expert at?

The masks people I see wearing have no magic powers against viruses. They just give you a feeling of safety but in reality if you sneeze It will hold back spittle and snot. This virus seems like eyes are the most vulnerable what are you doing there? As jumpy as you are to get all red assed at anything that doesn't fit your belief I have a good idea you're a nervous ned. You're knawing on your nails right now aren't ya.

Learn what the **** you are talking about before you ever respond in this thread again.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by Eleazar

Is (almost) 2,500 posts in a single thread some kind of a CP record?

I bet Hootie and Donger have approached that number before.

[Strongside]

Was listening to 610 today because I apparently have nothing better to do.

Cody Tapp was aight as the Royals guy, but dude is a complete and total bitch on the air right now. He is completely and utterly terrified of life. He was talking about 200 people at Royals games as the norm going forward this season. First of all, you can safely (if things continue going the way they are) get far more people into the stands than that and still maintain social distancing. Second, 200 ****ing people?! By the time you pay someone to park those people, man the concessions stands, operate the scoreboard, etc. you've blown any semblance of profit you'd have had. And we haven't even put the tip in when it comes to players being paid. Granted, that'll come from TV mostly, but still. I thought that was one of the dumbest things I'd heard on the air in a grip. Third, there are college football programs like Ohio State speculating that they'll be able to START the season with 20-50k people in their stands while social distancing if numbers continue to remain positive. There will be more than 200 people at some beer league softball games if they're allowed to open, for Christ's sake.

I think the sports world, like us all, are true prisoners of the moment right now. We forget how much has changed in such a short period of time. If I went back three months and told you that all sports in the WORLD would cease to exist, you'd have laughed at me. The current state of affairs have come on us quickly. And now, in the last few days alone, things have changed at a frenetic pace. They'll continue to do so.

I'm not guaranteeing that the NFL will go off without a hitch, but at this point, nothing would surprise me. The state of life on this planet seems to be changing daily. Literally. That's not an exaggeration.

All this is to say, Cody Tapp is a bitch and clearly he does zero research into anything regarding the current state or trends of the virus.

He's a bitch.

[tk13]

I still think football is going to have the hardest time because it's such a contact sport. It can be done but the testing has to be on point. If you let one guy with this thing get into a game it could be a real mess. You have guys piling on top of each other on every play.

[Strongside]

Originally Posted by tk13

I still think football is going to have the hardest time because it's such a contact sport. It can be done but the testing has to be on point. If you let one guy with this thing get into a game it could be a real mess. You have guys piling on top of each other on every play.

Agree. But if the mortality rate keeps going down and it's eventually settled upon that thing is less deadly than the flu, does it matter? These guys have played 100 straight seasons in the heart of flu season.

Not saying that's where this is headed, but that's the rumbling. If public perception becomes that flu is more likely to kill you and science begins to back that up, then sorry...all bets are off. The NFL will take its money the first chance they get.

[srvy]

Originally Posted by limested

Learn what the **** you are talking about before you ever respond in this thread again.

How about you **** off limeaids.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Strongside

Agree. But if the mortality rate keeps going down and it's eventually settled upon that thing is less deadly than the flu, does it matter? These guys have played 100 straight seasons in the heart of flu season.
.

How could anyone with any degree of functional literacy still believe this?

[srvy]

Originally Posted by limested

Learn what the **** you are talking about before you ever respond in this thread again.

Id like to learn all you know about masks. I am not talking about latex gimp masks but ppe.

[PAChiefsGuy]

Originally Posted by Strongside

Agree. But if the mortality rate keeps going down and it's eventually settled upon that thing is less deadly than the flu, does it matter? These guys have played 100 straight seasons in the heart of flu season.

Not saying that's where this is headed, but that's the rumbling. If public perception becomes that flu is more likely to kill you and science begins to back that up, then sorry...all bets are off. The NFL will take its money the first chance they get.

Lol.

Thanks for the laugh

[jdubya]

Driving around my town/city today was eye opening. 8 weeks ago it was a ghost town....4 weeks ago a few cars could be seen.....2 weeks ago 40% of normal traffic, all pedestrians wearing masks, , last week 75% of normal traffic but all pedestrians still wearing masks, today...heavy car traffic, about 50% of folks wearing masks.....

Not Dr Fauci confirmed but I am guessing by this time next week, most of my town will be hugging and handshaking soon. My town is only a 75,000 population just outside of SF in Ca.....
Edited to add: my county is 1.1 million people and we have 900 cases and 29 deaths from C19.......I am guessing our county is ready to roll on

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

How could anyone with any degree of functional literacy still believe this?

All those 40+ year old playing in the NFL