Football College athletes on their way to a union. - Page 6

ShowtimeSBMVP · 03-26-2014, 01:02 PM

Wow RT @CEmmaScout: @CAPAssociation wins its case at the NLRB. College athletes on their way to a union.
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BlackHelicopters · 03-26-2014, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

as soon as that happens then you can forget about NCAA tourney as shit

once the governing body goes then the big schools won't give a shit about the small ones. The smalls schools might as well get rid of their athletic dept. all together.

The NCAA is an outdated and bloated beauracracy

blaise · 03-26-2014, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by theelusiveeightrop

Do we really need another professional football league?

If they end up getting paid it won't be that much. Overall the students need the schools more than the schools need the kids, in my opinion.
If schools started cancelling scholarships a lot of these kids would be saying no thanks pretty quick.
But from what I've read the students that started this have been saying it's not about money. They want representation regarding practice time, travel, etc.
And I can understand that.

Discuss Thrower · 03-26-2014, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by alnorth

or pass a law.

If we can't, then the people through their representatives will have signed off on another pro league.

Meh. More than half of America voted in people who decided that Americans have no right to not purchase a product if they so desired.

**alnorth** · 03-26-2014, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by blaise

If they end up getting paid it won't be that much. Overall the students need the schools more than the schools need the kids, in my opinion.
If schools started cancelling scholarships a lot of these kids would be saying no thanks pretty quick.
But from what I've read the students that started this have been saying it's not about money. They want representation regarding practice time, travel, etc.
And I can understand that.

Yeah, their demands right now are pretty modest. I think most of us are looking way down the road when the students look around and go "hey this $7,000 stipend and free medical is nice, but I think we're worth more".

Unions and management always reach an equilibrium where the company is not willing to pay more, and once schools start competing against each other I think the leverage will come down.

Valiant · 03-26-2014, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by alnorth

Title IX doesn't care if you call it wages, meal money, a stipend, or a scholarship. They can't pay football players more than everyone else, and labor laws will be fine with that.

If college players are employees who can unionize, what would likely happen is the school will say "look folks, we can only afford to pay you all $X. Any higher than that, and we'll just cancel sports and you can all strike. Also, Title IX requires that you get the same, so your pay is X divided by the number of athletes."

Players will sue for money made on their likeness and jerseys for the popular sports outside of the standard equal pay athletes get. Womens sports do not generate money simple as that. This will be a cluster**** beyond all cluster****s. Shit will take decades.

I can see why he says IX will have to change or go away. Each college is basically a different company. Each sport should be a different department/branch. Different pay scales as long as their is a minimum. Of course I think they should do away with athletic scholarships then also.

The landscape will be changing..

BlackHelicopters · 03-26-2014, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Valiant

Players will sue for money made on their likeness and jerseys for the popular sports outside of the standard equal pay athletes get. Womens sports do not generate money simple as that. This will be a cluster**** beyond all cluster****s. Shit will take decades.

I can see why he says IX will have to change or go away. Each college is basically a different company. Each sport should be a different department/branch. Different pay scales as long as their is a minimum. Of course I think they should do away with athletic scholarships then also.

The landscape will be changing..

If it signals the. End. Of the NCAA, then I am all for it.

Valiant · 03-26-2014, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by LoneWolf

You can't just dismiss the free education aspect of all of this. If used properly, that is something that will earn you money every year for the rest of your life.

Yes you can. A free education means jack shit to most of the big sports players(football, basketball, maybe baseball).. They are there to get drafted or go pro.

Education means crap, money on the other hand... More money to go with what they are getting under the table..

**Bob Dole** · 03-26-2014, 03:13 PM

In case it has not yet been pointed out, this ruling only applies to private schools.

**alnorth** · 03-26-2014, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Valiant

Players will sue for money made on their likeness and jerseys for the popular sports outside of the standard equal pay athletes get. Womens sports do not generate money simple as that. This will be a cluster**** beyond all cluster****s. Shit will take decades.

Thats fine. There would probably be only a couple athletes in all of NCAA sports at any time who are going to be hired as pitchmen.

Outside of commercials, everyone is going to fall under some general likeness agreement with EA, and that money will be split thousands of ways.

**alnorth** · 03-26-2014, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob Dole

In case it has not yet been pointed out, this ruling only applies to private schools.

Well, right now it only applies to the Northwestern football team. (and if they negotiated something, Northwestern would then have to give something similar to their female athletes)

Other private schools, and universities whose states allow public employees to unionize would probably be able to cite it, though.

Mosbonian · 03-26-2014, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by alnorth

Well, right now it only applies to the Northwestern football team. (and if they negotiated something, Northwestern would then have to give something similar to their female athletes)

Other private schools, and universities whose states allow public employees to unionize would probably be able to cite it, though.

The NLRB doesn't have any authority in regards to the public schools. But I don't see that eventually stopping them.

I think the athletes probably don't see the down side of this...all they see is the money someone is telling them they will get. Never turns out to be the gold mine everyone promises.

Mosbonian · 03-26-2014, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by theelusiveeightrop

If it signals the. End. Of the NCAA, then I am all for it.

I have to ask this question....especially since almost every one of your posts points to this....do you have a real hate for the NCAA?

**LoneWolf** · 03-26-2014, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Valiant

Yes you can. A free education means jack shit to most of the big sports players(football, basketball, maybe baseball).. They are there to get drafted or go pro.

Education means crap, money on the other hand... More money to go with what they are getting under the table..

Any athlete who thinks that the education they are given a chance to receive doesn't matter is a ****ing moron and deserves whatever may happen to them in the future.

Discuss Thrower · 03-26-2014, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by LoneWolf

Any athlete who thinks that the education they are given a chance to receive doesn't matter is a ****ing moron and deserves whatever may happen to them in the future.

You really think the majority of Div 1 football players are computer science, engineering or are taking advantage of internships with businesses that will all but guarantee a job after graduation? Because last I checked communication and kinesiology degrees aren't exactly lucrative.

**alnorth** · 03-26-2014, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

You really think the majority of Div 1 football players are computer science, engineering or are taking advantage of internships with businesses that will all but guarantee a job after graduation? Because last I checked communication and kinesiology degrees aren't exactly lucrative.

That doesn't even matter, you don't even have to make that argument.

Education is not this rare commodity that colleges hoard and dole out to a precious few. (this system actually exists in a few countries) If you have money, you can get your education, and anyone no matter how poor can get federal student loans and a part-time job.

Whether the football player wastes the opportunity or not isn't relevant, the education is available even if they are not an athlete. What we are doing, is weighing the value of them not having to take out loans vs the huge pile of cash that many power schools get.

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