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Old 12-14-2015, 10:07 AM   #1
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Starting 4 or 5 rookies, including starting two rookie CB's and LT that played guard in college was probably the difference between 2 wins and 5 wins. 99.9% of head coaches in that situation who are fighting for their jobs would have brought in a bunch of veterans in hopes of getting to 7 or 8 wins and thus showing "improvement". Most coaches would refuse to go with the "youth model" in their critical third year when year 2 was a mess.
The only thing I disagree with is the LT and backend business. First, Albert played really well. I don't think you can point to him and say McIntosh would have won us more games. Maybe the backend you could, but the two corners were OK. DL (who had some vets), Nickel CB and every LB missed a bunch of damn tackles and couldn't fill a gap or cover a TE. Even DJ, who made a bunch of plays but was inconsistent, accounted for more losses than Carr, Flower, Pollard, and Page. The whole defense was a tire fire after JA left and Hali moved to the RDE spot. Was 2008 the 4 sack year?

But I too am glad he stuck to his guns and showed the world just how good the team HE built was. So all in all I guess I agree.
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Old 12-14-2015, 08:22 AM   #2
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Herm was a pretty bad coach all around, but he did two good things:

1. He took a proverbial bullet for the organization in his last year when he knew his job was on the line and he decided to give all the young guys playing time. He traded wins for experience.

2. He's the only KC head coach to attempt to draft, develop and play his own QB.
This. Point number 1 can't be stressed enough.
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Old 12-14-2015, 08:26 AM   #3
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This. Point number 1 can't be stressed enough.
Playing young dudes does not equate to 2-14. If he had built a decent team, which you are telling me is his ONLY redeeming quality, he'd have pulled probably 6-8 wins, especially with how horrible the division was at that time. Beat the Fade twice and take one from Donk at home, that's 3 wins. BUT NO. We have to give JaFatass Bustell a huge percentage of his wins and his only 4th quarter comeback by torching the DBs, which are the primary basis for your argument.
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Old 12-14-2015, 09:12 AM   #4
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Playing young dudes does not equate to 2-14. If he had built a decent team, which you are telling me is his ONLY redeeming quality, he'd have pulled probably 6-8 wins, especially with how horrible the division was at that time. Beat the Fade twice and take one from Donk at home, that's 3 wins. BUT NO. We have to give JaFatass Bustell a huge percentage of his wins and his only 4th quarter comeback by torching the DBs, which are the primary basis for your argument.
If your benchmark is winning games. In a rebuild, it shouldn't be. There are multiple ways we could have bought our way into a few more wins including what we always do, which is buy someone else's retread QB. And again, those are band-aid moves which means we'd trudge through multiple seasons of more acceptable 6-win teams vs. ripping the band-aid off. The execution wasn't flawless. But it set up a much better situation in 2009 than you give it credit for. Terrific draft position and $57M to spend. That didn't happen by accident.
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Old 12-14-2015, 08:18 AM   #5
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Herm sucked as a coach but excels at being a good human being.
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Old 12-14-2015, 08:54 AM   #6
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I always like Jarrad Page. I have no idea why.

He was at least good for two games a year against Oakland.
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Old 12-14-2015, 08:57 AM   #7
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I always like Jarrad Page. I have no idea why.

He was at least good for two games a year against Oakland.
Aaron Brooks probably sends him hate mail every Christmas.
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Old 12-14-2015, 09:13 AM   #8
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Herm is "an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing".

The line fits Herm so well, it's almost like Shakespeare had him in mind when he wrote it.
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I'm a little disturbed at the passion and time invested over Herm's legacy.
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I'm a little disturbed at the passion and time invested over Herm's legacy.
But yet nobody bats an eye when people over-the-top rip on his legacy all the time. Completely at random. In ways we never did with actual ****-ups like Romeo.
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But yet nobody bats an eye when people over-the-top rip on his legacy all the time. Completely at random. In ways we never did with actual ****-ups like Romeo.
The common view of Herm was good scout/poor gameday coach. I wouldnt take any view point other than that too serious.
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The common view of Herm was good scout/poor gameday coach. I wouldnt take any view point other than that too serious.
Herm was an overrated scout of talent.

Brodie Croyle, Tank Tyler, Turk McBride, Glenn Dorsey.

That is Herm's selected QBOTF and defensive line of the future that he absolutely bombed.
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Herm was an overrated scout of talent.

Brodie Croyle, Tank Tyler, Turk McBride, Glenn Dorsey.

That is Herm's selected QBOTF and defensive line of the future that he absolutely bombed.
This. If here were a good talent evaluator he'd have compiled enough talent to win far more than 2 games after 3 years of building a team. He found 6 good players and a handful of average dudes and left like 40 spots filled with complete shit.

If he could evaluate talent, he'd have been able to find some cheap guys to fill some of those holes.
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Herm was an overrated scout of talent.

Brodie Croyle, Tank Tyler, Turk McBride, Glenn Dorsey.

That is Herm's selected QBOTF and defensive line of the future that he absolutely bombed.
Im not going to hash this but he also had some nice hits early and late in drafts. Over rated is a generic term but he was at least above average regarding talent evaluation for a HC.
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The common view of Herm was good scout/poor gameday coach. I wouldnt take any view point other than that too serious.
Thanks. That is where I'm at.
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