***Official 2022 Royals Season Repository Thread***

[ChiefsCountry]

For all things Royals in 2022. #3 minor league system according to Baseball America. The Bobby Witt era should begin this year. Will Salvy still be the homerun king? How does the glut of infield players work out? Will the young pitchers take the next step?

Free Agents/Trades Acquisitions
Zack Greinke, P
Amir Garrett, P
Taylor Clarke, P

Top 10 Prospects from Baseball America
1. Bobby Witt, SS
2. Asa Lacy, P
3. MJ Melendez, C
4. Nick Pratto, 1B
5. Jackson Kowar, P
6. Kyle Isabel, OF
7. Frank Mozzicato, P
8. Ben Kudrna, P
9. Jonathan Bowlan, P
10. Vinnie Pasquantino, 1B

Duncan's Top Royals Prospects

Spoiler!

1. Bobby Witt, Jr., SS. MLB.
This status lasts about another 4 weeks, but let’s take a moment to appreciate having the top guy in the minor league prospects lists for at least a little while longer. Witt has prodigious ability and the question is really just IF he can meet it. They have not had a prospect like this in my lifetime, and really probably ever. Combine insane raw physical skills (right there with Adalberto Mondesi and Willie Wilson in the ranks right behind Bo Jackson) with unbelievable work ethic, a humble-but-confident nature, and already having shown he can struggle and overcome to achieve big success, and you have the tools for a show-stopping centerpiece. Oh, and throw in the former-player’s kid aspect on it on top of things, and there is every reason to believe he’s going to succeed and succeed big.
2. M.J. Melendez, C, AAA Omaha.
I was early on putting him in this slot last year, and I don’t regret it. The power, the ability to be a good defender behind the dish as well as having the athletic ability to play 3B or LF, too, and you have a really valuable overall piece and FANTASTIC understudy for Salvador Perez.
3. Asa Lacy, LHP. AA Northwest Arkansas
Whoa, let’s get crazy again. Lacy has outstanding stuff. Top of the system. He got hurt and lost his command during COVID times, but appears to be back on track so far this spring. If his command sticks, this is a guy who can move quickly. And his ceiling is really second to nobody in the minor league pitching ranks.
4. Vinnie Pasquantino, 1B. AA Northwest Arkansas
Vinnie starts the season back at AA due to the guy who follows him on the list here. He just hits, folks. I love his combination of contact, loud contact, plate discipline, and lack of strikeouts. The Billy Butler comparisons are annoying (in that I will NEVER refer to this man as Italian Breakfast except in the instance that just occurred), but the Billy Butler comparisons are also fairly apt… if you made Butler a lefthanded hitter, AND improved his body/athleticism from a 20 to a 40, AND if you added that little extra touch of power we all wished Butler could consistently find.
5. Nick Pratto, 1B, AAA Omaha.
Hey, let’s stay at 1B. Pratto has flashy power and I love his batting eye AND his hand-eye coordination. The hair he’s been rocking this spring is also pretty sweet. I slot him just behind Pasquantino simply because I think his bat profile is more volatile. The glove and arm are sweet/plus for 1B, though.
6. Jonathan Bowlan, RHP, AAA Omaha
Bowlan is coming back from Tommy John surgery, and this ranking is assuming that recovering is successful. If it his, you’re talking about a big, consistent SP who throws hard enough and has enough of a repertoire to really make things happen. If the recovery goes well, he may be shuttling to the majors in July to reinforce the rotation.
7. Nick Loftin, CF, AA Omaha.
Loftin is a guy who has really grown on me. I saw him as a quasi super-utility guy when the Royals drafted him, The full-time shift to CF (which means they think he has the speed and the overall defensive ability to handle CF in Kansas City) adds a lot of value here. The ultimate positive offensive upside is similar to peak Whit Merrifield, maybe with a touch more early power.
8. Michael Massey, 2B, AA Northwest Arkansas.
Massey was an absolute revelation last year, hitting for power and average and keeping his K rate down while playing a really strong 2B. He has a very sweet, short lefthanded stroke. This is another aggressive rating, but Massey has proven himself through a tough minor league assignment already, and the arrow is pointed up.
9. Ben Kudrna, RHP, Rookie Ball
Kudrna is a big, physical specimen with a lot of upside and potential. The fastball and slider are already nearly MLB-level in terms of velocity and movement (command needs work). Kudrna is a guy who, with luck, and health, and good development, could ascend to the top of a rotation.
10. Frank Mozzicato, LHP, Rookie Ball.
Mozzicato has a curveball that suggests he has a feel for spin. If you want to dream, you hope that the next 2-3 years turn the 175 he weighed when drafted into a rock-solid 220/225 and carries with it an increase in fastball velocity from 90-91, sitting 87-88, to 96-97, sitting 93-94. You pair his ability to spin the ball (which also suggests he should be able to easily master a sweeper slider) with that type of fastball velo and a changeup he already has a feel for, and it’s an exciting profile.

He has a little more to go in terms of growing into that projectability than Kudrna, which is why he slots right behind him.
11. Alec Marsh, RHP, AA Northwest Arkansas
Marsh missed a lot of 2021 to injury, but the hard-throwing righthander is another guy who could move quickly once the minor league season starts. He’s undeniably got the stuff of a quality major-league pitcher. The question is if he can master enough command to cash it in. This guy is a great example of TINSTAAPP.
12. Angel Zerpa, LHP, AAA Omaha
Zerpa might quickly outperform this slot. His stuff ticked up in 21 and he ended the season making a start in the majors. He’s nice depth to have, and honestly, I’m a big fan of just throwing numbers at pitching. Zerpa definitely helps create the depth you need to generate a top-notch and reliable home-grown rotation.
13. Maikel Garcia, SS, AA Northwest Arkansas
Garcia is a really intriguing hitter, a righthanded hitter who has a nice combination of contact skills and control of the strike zone (this cousin of Alcides Escobar is less savvy with the glove and more savvy at the plate). The Royals protected him for a reason (he’s on the 40-man).
14. Carter Jensen, C, A ??
Jensen is a local product whose bat will probably push him off C (as well as the Royals depth at that spot throughout the organization). This is a future 1B profile, and a nice one. He makes a lot of loud contact and shows an ability to lift the ball. Should be fun to watch this year.
15. Ben Hernandez, RHP, A+ Quad Rivers
Hernandez missed a good part of 2021 but still has that butterfly changeup and a classic pitcher’s profile. He’ll need to find a reliable swing-and-miss secondary to make it in the bigs, but if not, the fastball velocity and changeup should make him a quality high-leverage reliver.
16. Dylan Coleman, RHP, AAA Omaha
Speaking of relievers, Coleman is a hard-throwing righthander who probably spends most of 22 in the Royals’ pen. ½ of the compensation for the Rosenthal trade a few years back, Coleman has a big fastball and nasty breaking ball.
17. Will Klein, RHP, AA Northwest Arkansas
Speaking of relivers, everything I just said about Coleman? Yeah, you can say it about Klein, too. Klein regularly toyed with hitters at high A last year, striking out 121 hitters in just 70 1/3 innings pitched. For those counting at home, that’s a 15.5 K/9 rate. Yep. That’ll play.
18. Anthony Veneziano, LHP, AA Northwest Arkansas
Here’s another big, power arm. Veneziano hasn’t been relegated to bullpen only yet, though. His fastball bumped into the high 90s last year on a starter’s workload. He’s still looking for a changeup, but if he doesn’t find it, you’re looking at a really promising future bullpen fireballer.
19. Erick Pena, OF, A ?
Pena did… not have a strong 2021 full season debut. His struggles look a lot like those of Pratto and Melendez in 2019. Pena has the same type of raw toolkit to work from as those two, with great hands and natural power. He needs to fix a hitch in his swing and calm it down, but so did Melendez. Of this second ten grouping, Pena has the highest upside and could jump right into the top 5 of the org ranks.
20. Darryl Collins, OF, A+
Collins is an international signing out of Europe. I like the hitting package here – good eye and contact skills. He needs to make more loud contact, but if he can, really a nice guy.

Overall takeaways:
This is a system with a lot of depth. We could go another 10-12 deep and still be talking about guys with a good shot to make the majors. The changes to the organization’s approach are bearing fruit, as even less-heralded draftees are stepping forward.

The combination of upside (Witt, Melendez, Lacy), depth, and guys you can dream on is fun. It may not produce quite as much as the 2011 group did, but it does offer a more sustainable system, less reliant on a few big-ticket guys.

[KChiefs1]

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[cosmo20002]

Originally Posted by KChiefs1

Salvy should have bunted?


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Witt was the batter. Yes, he should have bunted. With his speed, you might even end up with runners at 1st and 3rd and no outs.
If Salvy was leading off, then yes to him also. He can handle it.

[KChiefs1]

Originally Posted by cosmo20002

Witt was the batter. Yes, he should have bunted. With his speed, you might even end up with runners at 1st and 3rd and no outs.
If Salvy was leading off, then yes to him also. He can handle it.

Witt almost got an extra base hit but a great play saved that run. Runners at 1st & 2nd with Salvy at bat. A bunt probably was the play. Pasquantino would have driven in Melendez from 3rd.


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[KChiefs1]

I really hope he comes back next season.

A few Greinke stories from The Athletic:

Spoiler!

Collin Snider, pitcher: We’re in Texas and a couple of guys were playing cards before the game. They were talking about guys collecting stuff. (Dylan) Coleman asked if Greinke collects anything cool. And he was just like: “Got a bunch of houses.”


Nicky Lopez: I was on the bench with him and we were facing someone who really liked cats. I was like: “You can’t trust anyone who likes cats.” He goes: “Yeah, man, you really can’t.” I go: “I like dogs. You got any, Zack?” He goes: “Nah, I would never get dogs. I’ve got a cat, though.”


Jonathan Heasley, pitcher: The first time we all felt comfortable was in spring training. He invited all the starters to his house one night, and we all grabbed dinner and hung out over there. That was when we kinda broke the ice. When we first got there, at his house, we were hitting some chip shots. He’s got a little green in his backyard. We’re hitting some balls back there. He asked us if we were hungry. We’re like, “Yeah, a little.” It was pretty early. He’s like, “Well, I just ordered some chicken, but that’s for me. So if you guys want to order something later, we can figure something out.” We’re all just looking around like, “Alright! Sounds good!” And it was awesome. Hung out. Sat around and talked baseball, life.


Brad Keller, pitcher: I was like, “I’m not getting righties out as well as I want to. I feel like I’ve been getting lefties out more.” That night, he went home and I get a text message at like 2 a.m. He’s sending me all the data points. He’s like, “This is what I saw. These are the things I gather.” Out of the blue.


Michael Massey: When I was younger, I would watch him on TV. I’m like, “This guy is incredible, future Hall of Famer, I wonder what he does to get ready before a start.” Flash forward. Now I’m his teammate and I’m warming up in the weight room. He comes in with his big, baggy shirt on. He sits down on the ground, pretzel style. Literally crisscross applesauce. He’s just sitting there for a minute. He pulls a banana out of his pocket and starts eating a banana crisscross applesauce on the weight room floor. He drops the banana peel, stands up with a baseball, walks over to the wall and starts slowly throwing a ball off the wall and catching it. I walked out and was like: “So that’s what a Hall of Fame pitcher does before he starts, huh?”

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[MVChiefFan]

Originally Posted by KChiefs1

I really hope he comes back next season.

A few Greinke stories from The Athletic:

Spoiler!

Collin Snider, pitcher: We’re in Texas and a couple of guys were playing cards before the game. They were talking about guys collecting stuff. (Dylan) Coleman asked if Greinke collects anything cool. And he was just like: “Got a bunch of houses.”


Nicky Lopez: I was on the bench with him and we were facing someone who really liked cats. I was like: “You can’t trust anyone who likes cats.” He goes: “Yeah, man, you really can’t.” I go: “I like dogs. You got any, Zack?” He goes: “Nah, I would never get dogs. I’ve got a cat, though.”


Jonathan Heasley, pitcher: The first time we all felt comfortable was in spring training. He invited all the starters to his house one night, and we all grabbed dinner and hung out over there. That was when we kinda broke the ice. When we first got there, at his house, we were hitting some chip shots. He’s got a little green in his backyard. We’re hitting some balls back there. He asked us if we were hungry. We’re like, “Yeah, a little.” It was pretty early. He’s like, “Well, I just ordered some chicken, but that’s for me. So if you guys want to order something later, we can figure something out.” We’re all just looking around like, “Alright! Sounds good!” And it was awesome. Hung out. Sat around and talked baseball, life.


Brad Keller, pitcher: I was like, “I’m not getting righties out as well as I want to. I feel like I’ve been getting lefties out more.” That night, he went home and I get a text message at like 2 a.m. He’s sending me all the data points. He’s like, “This is what I saw. These are the things I gather.” Out of the blue.


Michael Massey: When I was younger, I would watch him on TV. I’m like, “This guy is incredible, future Hall of Famer, I wonder what he does to get ready before a start.” Flash forward. Now I’m his teammate and I’m warming up in the weight room. He comes in with his big, baggy shirt on. He sits down on the ground, pretzel style. Literally crisscross applesauce. He’s just sitting there for a minute. He pulls a banana out of his pocket and starts eating a banana crisscross applesauce on the weight room floor. He drops the banana peel, stands up with a baseball, walks over to the wall and starts slowly throwing a ball off the wall and catching it. I walked out and was like: “So that’s what a Hall of Fame pitcher does before he starts, huh?”

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I love it! Especially the cat conversation.

[Why Not?]

Originally Posted by KChiefs1

I really hope he comes back next season.

A few Greinke stories from The Athletic:

Spoiler!

Collin Snider, pitcher: We’re in Texas and a couple of guys were playing cards before the game. They were talking about guys collecting stuff. (Dylan) Coleman asked if Greinke collects anything cool. And he was just like: “Got a bunch of houses.”


Nicky Lopez: I was on the bench with him and we were facing someone who really liked cats. I was like: “You can’t trust anyone who likes cats.” He goes: “Yeah, man, you really can’t.” I go: “I like dogs. You got any, Zack?” He goes: “Nah, I would never get dogs. I’ve got a cat, though.”


Jonathan Heasley, pitcher: The first time we all felt comfortable was in spring training. He invited all the starters to his house one night, and we all grabbed dinner and hung out over there. That was when we kinda broke the ice. When we first got there, at his house, we were hitting some chip shots. He’s got a little green in his backyard. We’re hitting some balls back there. He asked us if we were hungry. We’re like, “Yeah, a little.” It was pretty early. He’s like, “Well, I just ordered some chicken, but that’s for me. So if you guys want to order something later, we can figure something out.” We’re all just looking around like, “Alright! Sounds good!” And it was awesome. Hung out. Sat around and talked baseball, life.


Brad Keller, pitcher: I was like, “I’m not getting righties out as well as I want to. I feel like I’ve been getting lefties out more.” That night, he went home and I get a text message at like 2 a.m. He’s sending me all the data points. He’s like, “This is what I saw. These are the things I gather.” Out of the blue.


Michael Massey: When I was younger, I would watch him on TV. I’m like, “This guy is incredible, future Hall of Famer, I wonder what he does to get ready before a start.” Flash forward. Now I’m his teammate and I’m warming up in the weight room. He comes in with his big, baggy shirt on. He sits down on the ground, pretzel style. Literally crisscross applesauce. He’s just sitting there for a minute. He pulls a banana out of his pocket and starts eating a banana crisscross applesauce on the weight room floor. He drops the banana peel, stands up with a baseball, walks over to the wall and starts slowly throwing a ball off the wall and catching it. I walked out and was like: “So that’s what a Hall of Fame pitcher does before he starts, huh?”

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Probably my all time favorite Royal

[duncan_idaho]

Re: extra innings, it’s all about the situation and who is up for you and them.

If I’ve got an ace reliever available who gets Ks, I play for the run at second. If I’ve got the bottom of the lineup up, I play for the run at second.

If the middle of the opposing team’s lineup is up and there’s someone I have trouble getting out in there (or multiple someone’s) you may let guys swing away to play for more than a run.

If I don’t have an ace reliever available or the middle of my lineup is up against a non ace reliever, I let my guys swing away.

There are a few automatic bunt situations, but more goes into it than just it being the 10th inning or later.

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by KChiefs1

I really hope he comes back next season.

A few Greinke stories from The Athletic:

Spoiler!

Collin Snider, pitcher: We’re in Texas and a couple of guys were playing cards before the game. They were talking about guys collecting stuff. (Dylan) Coleman asked if Greinke collects anything cool. And he was just like: “Got a bunch of houses.”


Nicky Lopez: I was on the bench with him and we were facing someone who really liked cats. I was like: “You can’t trust anyone who likes cats.” He goes: “Yeah, man, you really can’t.” I go: “I like dogs. You got any, Zack?” He goes: “Nah, I would never get dogs. I’ve got a cat, though.”


Jonathan Heasley, pitcher: The first time we all felt comfortable was in spring training. He invited all the starters to his house one night, and we all grabbed dinner and hung out over there. That was when we kinda broke the ice. When we first got there, at his house, we were hitting some chip shots. He’s got a little green in his backyard. We’re hitting some balls back there. He asked us if we were hungry. We’re like, “Yeah, a little.” It was pretty early. He’s like, “Well, I just ordered some chicken, but that’s for me. So if you guys want to order something later, we can figure something out.” We’re all just looking around like, “Alright! Sounds good!” And it was awesome. Hung out. Sat around and talked baseball, life.


Brad Keller, pitcher: I was like, “I’m not getting righties out as well as I want to. I feel like I’ve been getting lefties out more.” That night, he went home and I get a text message at like 2 a.m. He’s sending me all the data points. He’s like, “This is what I saw. These are the things I gather.” Out of the blue.


Michael Massey: When I was younger, I would watch him on TV. I’m like, “This guy is incredible, future Hall of Famer, I wonder what he does to get ready before a start.” Flash forward. Now I’m his teammate and I’m warming up in the weight room. He comes in with his big, baggy shirt on. He sits down on the ground, pretzel style. Literally crisscross applesauce. He’s just sitting there for a minute. He pulls a banana out of his pocket and starts eating a banana crisscross applesauce on the weight room floor. He drops the banana peel, stands up with a baseball, walks over to the wall and starts slowly throwing a ball off the wall and catching it. I walked out and was like: “So that’s what a Hall of Fame pitcher does before he starts, huh?”

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He's so Aspergers and its great

[Prison Bitch]

The attendance woes have been worsening for years. During our 2014 season which got off to a good start, we were in first place after Memorial Day, we drew like 24k on the year. Pretty sad. I went to 7 or so games this year and it was a mausoleum each time save the Dodgers Saturday night game. Tons of their fans were at it and the attendance? 28k. F’n pathetic


The fans can’t be blamed for not packing a crap team. But there should be some base level of fans who like a sport or just going out. Looks like we don’t really have that any more. Maybe Kc is just too small for pro sports. “But the Chiefs sell out!” They have Mahomes now. If the Chiefs start losing again you’ll see those 45k crowds like we saw under Pioli

[WhawhaWhat]

Originally Posted by KChiefs1

I really hope he comes back next season.

A few Greinke stories from The Athletic:

Spoiler!

Collin Snider, pitcher: We’re in Texas and a couple of guys were playing cards before the game. They were talking about guys collecting stuff. (Dylan) Coleman asked if Greinke collects anything cool. And he was just like: “Got a bunch of houses.”


Nicky Lopez: I was on the bench with him and we were facing someone who really liked cats. I was like: “You can’t trust anyone who likes cats.” He goes: “Yeah, man, you really can’t.” I go: “I like dogs. You got any, Zack?” He goes: “Nah, I would never get dogs. I’ve got a cat, though.”


Jonathan Heasley, pitcher: The first time we all felt comfortable was in spring training. He invited all the starters to his house one night, and we all grabbed dinner and hung out over there. That was when we kinda broke the ice. When we first got there, at his house, we were hitting some chip shots. He’s got a little green in his backyard. We’re hitting some balls back there. He asked us if we were hungry. We’re like, “Yeah, a little.” It was pretty early. He’s like, “Well, I just ordered some chicken, but that’s for me. So if you guys want to order something later, we can figure something out.” We’re all just looking around like, “Alright! Sounds good!” And it was awesome. Hung out. Sat around and talked baseball, life.


Brad Keller, pitcher: I was like, “I’m not getting righties out as well as I want to. I feel like I’ve been getting lefties out more.” That night, he went home and I get a text message at like 2 a.m. He’s sending me all the data points. He’s like, “This is what I saw. These are the things I gather.” Out of the blue.


Michael Massey: When I was younger, I would watch him on TV. I’m like, “This guy is incredible, future Hall of Famer, I wonder what he does to get ready before a start.” Flash forward. Now I’m his teammate and I’m warming up in the weight room. He comes in with his big, baggy shirt on. He sits down on the ground, pretzel style. Literally crisscross applesauce. He’s just sitting there for a minute. He pulls a banana out of his pocket and starts eating a banana crisscross applesauce on the weight room floor. He drops the banana peel, stands up with a baseball, walks over to the wall and starts slowly throwing a ball off the wall and catching it. I walked out and was like: “So that’s what a Hall of Fame pitcher does before he starts, huh?”

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Matheny: I played catch with him today. I said, “I can say I caught Zack Greinke.” He goes, “You caught me in between innings, don’t you remember?” I’m like, “Oh yeah. But then you went and got somebody else.” He goes, “Yeah, because I gave up runs. You were bad luck.” I was like, “That’s such crap.” Then he said something (about me), like, “Get somebody else because these guys need to be able to come in and throw their good stuff.”… Like, “You’re not good to catch everybody’s good stuff.” He said that out loud!

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Lopez: We were all sitting around and it was a bunch of young guys who just got called up and Zack. I go: “I’ll give $100 to whoever guesses where Zack was committed to.”

Massey: We’re all guessing, and he’s like: “No, no.”

Lopez: Someone said Creighton or another university and he looked at them and goes: “I was the four-time Gatorade player of the year. Do you think I would ever go there?”

(Nicky Lopez went to Creighton btw)

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

The attendance woes have been worsening for years. During our 2014 season which got off to a good start, we were in first place after Memorial Day, we drew like 24k on the year. Pretty sad. I went to 7 or so games this year and it was a mausoleum each time save the Dodgers Saturday night game. Tons of their fans were at it and the attendance? 28k. F’n pathetic


The fans can’t be blamed for not packing a crap team. But there should be some base level of fans who like a sport or just going out. Looks like we don’t really have that any more. Maybe Kc is just too small for pro sports. “But the Chiefs sell out!” They have Mahomes now. If the Chiefs start losing again you’ll see those 45k crowds like we saw under Pioli

That's one of the downfalls of the consistent losing. You lose some of the core fanbase year over year.

[TomBarndtsTwin]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

The attendance woes have been worsening for years. During our 2014 season which got off to a good start, we were in first place after Memorial Day, we drew like 24k on the year. Pretty sad. I went to 7 or so games this year and it was a mausoleum each time save the Dodgers Saturday night game. Tons of their fans were at it and the attendance? 28k. F’n pathetic


The fans can’t be blamed for not packing a crap team. But there should be some base level of fans who like a sport or just going out. Looks like we don’t really have that any more. Maybe Kc is just too small for pro sports. “But the Chiefs sell out!” They have Mahomes now. If the Chiefs start losing again you’ll see those 45k crowds like we saw under Pioli

The gripes about the Royals attendance are fair, in some regards, but to suggest KC doesn't support the Chiefs winning or losing? They've been doing that loyally ever since Carl and Marty came to town back in 1988.

As far as the Pioli years, while attendance was 'down' the lowest they averaged in any year of his 4 year term was 67,500, and that was actually from 2009, his first year with the team. By 2012, when fans were calling for his head, flying banners and the famous 'blackout game', the Chiefs STILL averaged 68,500 per game. Their lowest attended game that year was against Carolina (one of the 2 teams they actually beat in that lovely 2-14 season) and their attendance that day was 62,860.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...fs-since-2006/

So, the whole '45K crowds' are nothing but hyperbole parroted by the revisionists and ill informed.

The KC fans have supported the Chiefs loyally since 1990, when they finally got competent leadership in place.

If the Royals could get competent leadership in place that allowed the team to compete year in and year out (sans Cleveland, Tampa Bay, etc.) even if it didn't end in a trophy being hoisted, I think it's fair to say attendance would increase. Fans don't want to go out and watch a shit product, especially when it's being headed up by people that don't know what they're doing. Fix the top, filter it on down, and you'll see the entire product improve including fan enthusiasm. Which directly impacts attendance at ballgames.

[Prison Bitch]

I was at the blackout game. It was half full, maybe.

[RockChalk]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

I was at the blackout game. It was half full, maybe.

Yeah, obviously TomBardtsTwin is using ticket sales reporting figures to fit his narrative on this.

I've been to games every year since my folks first got season tickets back in 1989. Arrowhead in 2012 barely had 50K (if that much) in the stands, in many of the games other than the home opener.

You are right about the blackout game. I'd say at best, there were 40K in the stadium that day.

[TomBarndtsTwin]

Originally Posted by RockChalk

Yeah, obviously TomBardtsTwin is using ticket sales reporting figures to fit his narrative on this.

I've been to games every year since my folks first got season tickets back in 1989. Arrowhead in 2012 barely had 50K (if that much) in the stands, in many of the games other than the home opener.

You are right about the blackout game. I'd say at best, there were 40K in the stadium that day.

My narrative?

Just looking at the statistics, my man.

I realize everyone likes to use 'eyeball test' to support their viewpoint, but as they say in the courtroom, if you don't have the evidence to back up your claim, the case is getting dismissed.

I don't have any narrative. I was just disputing PB's notion that KC will suddenly stop supporting the Chiefs when Mahomes retires or if we go on an extended losing streak.

If you agree with his take, by all means, you're both entitled to your opinion.