***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

I've seen that but you can bet people positive with Covid dying from unrelated causes are being counted as Covid deaths or people with symptoms but no test dying are being counted in other places. That numbers just seems insane to me as well given what that would do to their totals but

Exactly. That was the point I was making.

[burt]

Originally Posted by loochy

No, it's actually perfect timing.

Actually, I think

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

One splashy entrance.

This one MAY be about 6 months too late.....

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

I've seen that but you can bet people positive with Covid dying from unrelated causes are being counted as Covid deaths or people with symptoms but no test dying are being counted in other places. That numbers just seems insane to me as well given what that would do to their totals but

I don't think somebody who was positive that died in a car accident is going to be put down as a COVID related death but if his weak heart failed because the strain the disease was causing ,yes it might but shouldn't it?

[O.city]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

Strategically social distance the high risk group.

We do this all of the time in normal situations with cancer patients, etc. The high risk individual social distances and those who come in direct contact with the high risk person take the proper precautions (i.e. wearing masks/gloves).

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...es/2960151001/

As someone that works in the medical field and has patients fill out health forms, there’s a massive amount of people in this country that have those conditions

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

Strategically social distance the high risk group.

We do this all of the time in normal situations with cancer patients, etc. The high risk individual social distances and those who come in direct contact with the high risk person take the proper precautions (i.e. wearing masks/gloves).

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...es/2960151001/

Do you have any idea how widespread HTN, DM, and asthma are?

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by tk13

That's just excuses. Yeah it's going to be harder, but we also have the manpower and the world class science to get ahead of this and attack it and we chose not to do it.

People can dance around it all they want, but if you want to get out ahead of it you have to test. And that works both ways. There is a huge chance there are a lot of people who had this and don't know it and could go back out into society. If you want to get things back to normal it'd be a lot easier if people knew they had it. Otherwise you're going to create a situation where people are staying at home and the economy is still in the tank because they're afraid of catching a disease they already had, and don't know it. That's not going to improve the situation.

I had to stop reading after that. You think we can just have 100's of millions of tests lying around, the resources to get people to testing facilities, the resources to perform the tests and the resources to process the tests in a time that would be even borderline acceptable?

[FloridaMan88]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Do you have any idea how widespread HTN, DM, and asthma are?

Not as wide spread as locking down the entire population.

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Before you feel too bad - just remember that NYC couldn't care less about Jefferson City either.

Flyover country exists for comedy fodder and little else to the vast majority of that region.

I would say that New York cares more about helping middle america than middle america cares about helping New York. But more everyday we are conditioned to fight amongst each other, just because we have different philosophical and political beliefs.

[burt]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Do you have any idea how widespread HTN, DM, and asthma are?

Hell, I don't even know what HTN of DM IS!!! But maybe you have no idea what ACV means....

[PAChiefsGuy]

Just found out my friend tested positive for CoronaVirus. Hung out with him March 19th.. ****!

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by Monticore

I don't think somebody who was positive that died in a car accident is going to be put down as a COVID related death but if his weak heart failed because the strain the disease was causing ,yes it might but shouldn't it?

This.

Most likely if they got this and then died in the hospital or at home it ’s probably a contributing factor...

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

Not as wide spread as locking down the entire population.

I think somebody said few days ago 82 million American would fall into high risk group.

[Deberg_1990]

Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

Just found out my friend tested positive for CoronaVirus. Hung out with him March 19th.. ****!

That was almost 3 weeks ago. Your good!

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by BWillie

I would say that New York cares more about helping middle america than middle america cares about helping New York. But more everyday we are conditioned to fight amongst each other, just because we have different philosophical and political beliefs.

HA!

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by BWillie

I would say that New York cares more about helping middle america than middle america cares about helping New York. But more everyday we are conditioned to fight amongst each other, just because we have different philosophical and political beliefs.