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Old 04-27-2017, 07:19 PM  
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Old 01-22-2020, 03:55 PM   #26536
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Old 01-23-2020, 10:02 AM   #26537
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I forgot about this play to Watkins last year. Crazy how similar it is to the game-clincher this year.
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Old 01-23-2020, 10:16 AM   #26538
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Peterson defended his strategy of acquiring veteran quarterbacks as opposed to drafting one in the first round.

“I always felt that unless you had a Top 10 pick in the draft, the drafting of quarterbacks is really a crapshoot,” he said. “The stats even show that a majority of first-round draft choices fail. I came to the conclusion that if I’m going to waste a first-round draft choice, I’m going to do it on a veteran player who has had playoff experience and playoff success.

“To get a ‘franchise’ quarterback, that’s awfully hard to do. You’ve got to be picking in the Top 10, and he’s got to be pretty special, and we’ve seen some of those, including the young quarterback, Patrick Mahomes, with the Chiefs today.”
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Old 01-23-2020, 10:42 AM   #26539
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All of these years later and Carl still can't admit he was wrong.
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Old 01-23-2020, 10:55 AM   #26542
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I forgot about this play to Watkins last year. Crazy how similar it is to the game-clincher this year.
Yep, that play was the spark for a 31 point fireworks show in the 2nd half.
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All of these years later and Carl still can't admit he was wrong.
That was my first thought as well.

"Damn, Carl - you've been out of the league for 10 years and clearly ain't coming back. Maybe just take the L on this one, buddy..."

I understand the dudes still trying to claw their way back into the league trying to protect their reputation. But this isn't that. It's just pure vanity.
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Yeah it's really this simple, if you don't have a franchise quarterback, like a top 5 Elite guy then you're wasting your time.
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yep, that's Carl.
I'm a Carl fan because he really built some good teams, but that was his weakness. He didn't believe in drafting a QB.

Key to success especially in the NFL now, draft a new QB every two years until you find, the one. The worst thing you can do is resign a QB that isn't good enough. Just move on. Like Rosen. Teams knew he wasn't good enough. Quit trying. Go for another one and repeat.
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I'm a Carl fan because he really built some good teams, but that was his weakness. He didn't believe in drafting a QB.

Key to success especially in the NFL now, draft a new QB every two years until you find, the one. The worst thing you can do is resign a QB that isn't good enough. Just move on. Like Rosen. Teams knew he wasn't good enough. Quit trying. Go for another one and repeat.
Even if you do have a QB draft a QB, not early but how many guys have the patriots turned into picks.
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I'm a Carl fan because he really built some good teams, but that was his weakness. He didn't believe in drafting a QB.

Key to success especially in the NFL now, draft a new QB every two years until you find, the one. The worst thing you can do is resign a QB that isn't good enough. Just move on. Like Rosen. Teams knew he wasn't good enough. Quit trying. Go for another one and repeat.
Mariota is the best recent example. Winston will likely be the next test case.

Darnold may/may not be far behind and then Josh Allen after that.

Some quarterbacks spend entire careers being just good enough to get paid and get guys fired.

Though I will toss a half-hearted, tepid defense of Carl his way. Trent Green WAS good enough to win a championship. Carl just let the team atrophy around him. For as much shit as Robinson gets (almost certainly deservedly) - look at that defensive roster and tell me just what kind of chicken salad any DC could've made from that pile of shit.

Hicks, Browning, Sims, Holliday, Maslowski, Barber, Fujita, Warfield, McCleon, Wesley and Woods. Those were your starters and there wasn't any buried talent on the bench either.

Take the single best years of those guys careers and put them all in the 2003 season and that defense would've still been a pile of shit, with Greg Robinson at the controls or Bill Belichick.

Carl finally found a brief window where he had a truly championship caliber QB at the helm...at the same time he let his defense fall apart around him. As bad as last year's defense was, it was still significantly more talented than that lot.
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Oh Carl (in today's KC Star)...

Brett Favre, 1991
Brad Johnson, 1992
Mark Brunel, 1993
Gus Frerotte, 1994
Kordell stewart, 1995
Tony Banks, 1996
Jake Plummer, 1997
Brian Griese, 1998
Matt Hasselbeck, 1998
Aaron Brooks, 1999
Marc Bulger, 2000
Tom Brady, 2000
Drew Brees, 2001
David Garrard, 2002
Matt Schaub, 2004
Aaron goddamn mother****ing Rodgers, 2005
Joe Flacco, 2008

That’s 17 QBs drafted at a slot KC could have taken them during Peterson’s regime, most of them much later than the early first round.

Shut. The. ****. Up. Carl.
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That was my first thought as well.

"Damn, Carl - you've been out of the league for 10 years and clearly ain't coming back. Maybe just take the L on this one, buddy..."

I understand the dudes still trying to claw their way back into the league trying to protect their reputation. But this isn't that. It's just pure vanity.

In defense of Carl a little bit there was no rookie wage scale like there is now so it is easier and way cheaper to draft a young QB in the 1st round today then it was back then.

But still he could have attempted at least once. Bypassing Rodgers being the perfect example
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