Chiefs Charles vs. Priest - Page 2

dlphg9 · 10-10-2018, 09:02 PM

Been wondering who CP thinks is the better back

Jamaal Charles

1401 rushes, 7556 yards, 44 tds, 5.4 ypc

Priest Holmes

1780 rushes, 8172 yards, 86 tds, 4.6 ypc

My choice is JC. If you put Jamaal with the offense that Priest had he would probably have broken several records and would be a HoFer. That's not saying I don't love Priest, but Jamaal was out of this world.

Sannyasi · 10-10-2018, 09:18 PM

I don't think this is even an argument. Priest was great behind that O-line, Charles was great period.

ILChief · 10-10-2018, 09:18 PM

Maybe I'm partial to Priest because I associate him with a fun time (Vermeil years) vs Charles who I associate with the awful Cassel/Pioli era

'Hamas' Jenkins · 10-10-2018, 09:21 PM

Best seasons:

Priest (2002): 313 carries, 1615 yards (5.2 YPC). 21 TDs; 70 rec, 672 yards, 3 TDs
Jamaal (2012): 285 carries, 1509 yards (5.3 YPC). 5 TDs; 35 rec, 236 yards, 1 TD

Priest did that in 14 games, and if not for that dirty-ass horsecollar tackle, he likely sets records for all-purpose yards that are never touched. He was a patient, tireless runner, a tremendous receiver, and great at blitz pick up. I've never seen a back with better vision, and he was near GOAT status at the goal line.

Jamaal clearly had the home run ability that Holmes lacked, but 2002 Priest Holmes was the most complete back the Chiefs ever had.

DaNewGuy · 10-10-2018, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Simply Red

Something needs to be said about Priest's patience - that's a huge bonus - JC was slightly more prone to coughing up the rock. Plus to me - Priest was funner to watch. JMO

That avatar is a thing of beauty, love you Red

DaNewGuy · 10-10-2018, 09:24 PM

Love JC top 3 Chief in my list, Priest was just so great and I have fond memories of the priest/green/vermeil era as I was a youngster just discoverig my love of Football at the time

dlphg9 · 10-10-2018, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ILChief

Strictly running, Charles was better. Priest was much more of a weapon as a receiver, but he had a more competent QB. Also Charles seemed to fumble quite a bit more. It's a tough call. Although in a two year stretch, LJ may be better than both

Charles receiving stats

308 receptions, 2586 yards, 20 tds, 8.4 ypc

Priest receiving stats

339 receptions, 2962 yards, 8 tds, 8.7 ypc

I'd say Jamaal was the better receiver if you account for who was throwing them the ball.

I'd say LJ had one single season that was elite. It was his 2005 season where he started only 9 games and had 1750 yards and 20 tds and averaged 5.2 ypc. You could say it was one of the top 10 best seasons for a running back in the history of the league. But what's crazy is that 2005 LJ season wasn't even the best season a Chiefs RB has had. Priest in 2002 only played in 14 games and in those 14 games he had 1615 rush yards, 21 tds, 5.2 ypc and on top of that he had 62 rec, 614 rcv yds, 9.9 ypc and 3 tds. So essentially in 2002 Priest gave you the production of an elite RB and a 2 receiver. Then we get to Jamaal who had 6.4 ypc and he ran the ball 230 times that year. It's just amazing the talent we have had at the RB position.

I remember back in day when you'd constantly have to hear about the stupid ass Donkey's, there dumbass blocking scheme and how they have had so many years of a 1000 yd rusher, so basically 60 yds a game, BFD. The Chiefs have had elite RBs since 2001. I can't remember the last time I was worried about our RB situation.

bobbything · 10-10-2018, 10:07 PM

JC did more with less. That said, Priest was the more complete back. I dunno. Gun to my balls, I’d say JC.

Or maybe Priest. I don’t know. Kill my balls.

htismaqe · 10-10-2018, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Best seasons:

Priest (2002): 313 carries, 1615 yards (5.2 YPC). 21 TDs; 70 rec, 672 yards, 3 TDs
Jamaal (2012): 285 carries, 1509 yards (5.3 YPC). 5 TDs; 35 rec, 236 yards, 1 TD

Priest did that in 14 games, and if not for that dirty-ass horsecollar tackle, he likely sets records for all-purpose yards that are never touched. He was a patient, tireless runner, a tremendous receiver, and great at blitz pick up. I've never seen a back with better vision, and he was near GOAT status at the goal line.

Jamaal clearly had the home run ability that Holmes lacked, but 2002 Priest Holmes was the most complete back the Chiefs ever had.

DTVietnam · 10-10-2018, 10:12 PM

Priest

**TimBone** · 10-10-2018, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445

I've said it before and took massive heat for it, but if you put JC on that O, it is disgusting.

I agree with you. I think the biggest opposition to this take was Dane. I loved most of his football opinions, but that's one I definitely disagree with.

JC was the superior talent.

CoMoChief · 10-10-2018, 10:17 PM

Put JC behind Priest's OL, then answer the question who's better.

The end.

oldman · 10-10-2018, 10:20 PM

I'm going to have to go with JC, but that sweep with Priest behind Will and Willie was just a thing of beauty.

**Rain Man** · 10-10-2018, 10:28 PM

Jamaal had amazing talent. However, I don't think he would have thrived more behind Priest's line, or at least not notably more. Jamaal hit the line fast, and that Priest line was more of a chess game that moved defenders out of the way. Priest was the perfect running back for that line, because he let them do their work in the most effective way possible.

Priest was great, but you can't vote against Jamaal on this.

beach tribe · 10-10-2018, 10:37 PM

Jamaal would have broken every single season record in the book behind that line and i loves me some Holmes.

beach tribe · 10-10-2018, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man

Jamaal had amazing talent. However, I don't think he would have thrived more behind Priest's line, or at least not notably more. Jamaal hit the line fast, and that Priest line was more of a chess game that moved defenders out of the way. Priest was the perfect running back for that line, because he let them do their work in the most effective way possible.

Priest was great, but you can't vote against Jamaal on this.

While i agres, Charles' vision and speed would have offset any advantage Priest had

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10-10-2018, 09:02 PM
dlphg9 MVP Join Date: Oct 2010 Casino cash: $2179653	Charles vs. Priest Been wondering who CP thinks is the better back Jamaal Charles 1401 rushes, 7556 yards, 44 tds, 5.4 ypc Priest Holmes 1780 rushes, 8172 yards, 86 tds, 4.6 ypc My choice is JC. If you put Jamaal with the offense that Priest had he would probably have broken several records and would be a HoFer. That's not saying I don't love Priest, but Jamaal was out of this world.
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10-10-2018, 09:18 PM	#16
Sannyasi Veteran Join Date: Jan 2010 Casino cash: $9963714	I don't think this is even an argument. Priest was great behind that O-line, Charles was great period.
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10-10-2018, 09:18 PM	#17
ILChief MVP Join Date: Jan 2001 Casino cash: $7914831	Maybe I'm partial to Priest because I associate him with a fun time (Vermeil years) vs Charles who I associate with the awful Cassel/Pioli era
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10-10-2018, 09:21 PM	#18
'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $8009572	Best seasons: Priest (2002): 313 carries, 1615 yards (5.2 YPC). 21 TDs; 70 rec, 672 yards, 3 TDs Jamaal (2012): 285 carries, 1509 yards (5.3 YPC). 5 TDs; 35 rec, 236 yards, 1 TD Priest did that in 14 games, and if not for that dirty-ass horsecollar tackle, he likely sets records for all-purpose yards that are never touched. He was a patient, tireless runner, a tremendous receiver, and great at blitz pick up. I've never seen a back with better vision, and he was near GOAT status at the goal line. Jamaal clearly had the home run ability that Holmes lacked, but 2002 Priest Holmes was the most complete back the Chiefs ever had. __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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10-10-2018, 09:24 PM	#20
DaNewGuy Trippin' BAWLZ Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Another dimension Casino cash: $9794749	Love JC top 3 Chief in my list, Priest was just so great and I have fond memories of the priest/green/vermeil era as I was a youngster just discoverig my love of Football at the time __________________ I'll miss you Albert Wilson
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10-10-2018, 10:07 PM	#22
bobbything Distributor of Pain Join Date: Nov 2004 Casino cash: $8944900	JC did more with less. That said, Priest was the more complete back. I dunno. Gun to my balls, I’d say JC. Or maybe Priest. I don’t know. Kill my balls. __________________ "It is not enough that I succeed; everyone else must fail."
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10-10-2018, 10:12 PM	#24
DTVietnam Veteran Join Date: May 2018 Casino cash: $9520400	Priest
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10-10-2018, 10:17 PM	#26
CoMoChief Mahomes Dynasty Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Parts Unknown Casino cash: $8052254	Put JC behind Priest's OL, then answer the question who's better. The end. __________________
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10-10-2018, 10:20 PM	#27
oldman Curmudgeon Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: North by Northwest Casino cash: $5836784	I'm going to have to go with JC, but that sweep with Priest behind Will and Willie was just a thing of beauty.
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10-10-2018, 10:28 PM	#28
Rain Man NFL's #1 Ermines Fan Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house Casino cash: $3328491 VARSITY	Jamaal had amazing talent. However, I don't think he would have thrived more behind Priest's line, or at least not notably more. Jamaal hit the line fast, and that Priest line was more of a chess game that moved defenders out of the way. Priest was the perfect running back for that line, because he let them do their work in the most effective way possible. Priest was great, but you can't vote against Jamaal on this. __________________ I'm putting random letters here as a celebration of free speech: xigrakgrah misorojeq rkemeseit.
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10-10-2018, 10:37 PM	#29
beach tribe Keep doubting J MFing Houston Join Date: May 2007 Location: ft.lauderdale Casino cash: $4818036	Jamaal would have broken every single season record in the book behind that line and i loves me some Holmes.
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